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[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 267 points 11 months ago (48 children)

This whole thread is a whole lot of hullabaloo about complaining about legality about the way YouTube is running ad block detection, and framing it as though it makes the entire concept of ad block detection illegal.

As much as you may hate YouTube and/or their ad block policies, this whole take is a dead end. Even if by the weird stretch he's making, the current system is illegal, there are plenty of ways for Google to detect and act on this without going anywhere remotely near that law. The best case scenario here is Google rewrites the way they're doing it and redeploys the same thing.

This might cost them like weeks of development time. But it doesn't stop Google from refusing to serve you video until you watch ads. This whole argument is receiving way more weight than it deserves because he's repeatedly flaunting credentials that don't change the reality of what Google could do here even if this argument held water.

[–] ugjka@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ah yeah the kind of hullabaloo that makes everyone accept cookies on every single website ;)

[–] crapwittyname@lemmy.ml 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (54 children)

You're missing the point/s

  1. What they're doing is illegal. It has to stop immediately and they have to be held accountable
  2. What they're doing is immoral and every barrier we can put up against it is a valid pursuit
  3. Restricting Google to data held remotely is a good barrier. They shouldn't be able to help themselves to users local data, and it's something that most people can understand: the data that is physically within your system is yours alone. They would have to get permission from each user to transfer that data, which is right.
  4. This legal route commits to personal permissions and is a step to maintaining user data within the country of origin. Far from being a "dead end", it's the foundation and beginnings of a sensible policy on data ownership. This far, no further.
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[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 27 points 11 months ago (7 children)

This whole thread is a whole lot of hullabaloo about complaining about legality about the way YouTube is running ad block detection, and framing it as though it makes the entire concept of ad block detection illegal.

Nope, the point is that, at the moment, Google seems to look where it should not look to know if a user has an adblocker and they don't ask for permission.

Let put it in another way: Google need to have my permission to look into my device.

But it doesn’t stop Google from refusing to serve you video until you watch ads.

Which is fine as long as Google can decide that I am using an adblocker without violating any law, which is pretty hard.

Of course Google could decide that it is better to leave EU and it law that protect the users, but is it a smart move from a company point of view ?

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[–] Xabis@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

The guy really exudes “don’t you know who I am?” energy. Which is a shame since it detracts from the discussion.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 206 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Everyday I think the European Union for preventing the internet from being worse than it could be. It's sad that back when the internet was a cesspool was so far the best age for it. Normies really do ruin everything

[–] Rengoku@lemm.ee 72 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The same EU that threaten E2EE?

[–] matz_e@feddit.de 70 points 11 months ago

The EU has its faults, too, like this BS about sacrificing encryption. Overall, there seem to be a lot of benefits reigning in big companies, though.

Who else is looking out for their citizens? I think some congresspeople in the US ask tough questions, but in the end, business just goes on as usual.

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[–] twotone@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Don't be an asshole and blame regular people for shit like this. This is because of big tech

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 67 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Actually I will, because big Tech used to be on the level because they knew they would be called out for fuckery. Then Facebook brought the Baby Boomers online and it was the Eternal September on steroids.

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[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 11 months ago

This is the same chicken / egg thing as plastic pollutions.

Sure consumers choice of whether to discard or recycle a plastic straw is nothing compared to the decisions of corporations, but then consumers invest in those companies, buy their products, and elect representatives who do not hold them accountable.

Big tech has ruined the internet because people were willing to trade their privacy and their attention in order to watch gifs of cats playing the piano. I'm not "blaming" people for that - hell, I was one of them, but you can't solve the problem without understanding how it's perpetuated.

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[–] Klystron@sh.itjust.works 160 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every tech article I read nowadays I feel like has the appendix, "which is illegal in the EU." Lol

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 108 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The only thing still preventing mayhem along with California

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

Seriously. Everything causes cancer which has the unfortunate effect of dulling the fear response but it is good to know. If you want to sell your product in California, which is where silicon valley is, you need to observe their safety standards.

And thank the EU we might actually get right to repair.

Elon can block EU for Twitter if he wants to but it's probably going to cost him even more.

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[–] Chefdano3@lemm.ee 128 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Cool, so YouTube will start putting pop ups that require you to consent to the detection in order to watch videos. That's what everyone did with the whole cookies thing when that was determined to be illegal without consent.

[–] harlatan@feddit.de 71 points 11 months ago (6 children)

that would be illegal too, because that information is not strictly necessary for their service - they could only opt to not provide the service in the eu

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I don’t agree. They can reasonably argue that advertising is a requirement of their business model, so it is necessary to advertise. Therefore it is necessary for them to block access to those blocking advertising. The directive cited isn’t intended to make advertiser supported services effectively illegal in the EU. That would be a massive own goal. It’s intended to make deceptive and unnecessary data collection illegal. Nothing YouTube is doing is deceptive. They’re being very clear about their intention to advertise to non-subscribers.

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[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Nothing more fun than having to go through some websites shitty settings to toggle everything off.

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[–] demosthememes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 124 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I only just posted a meme about the EU flooring companies for going against their regulations. It was my first post too :)
I'd really like to add YouTube to it. Godspeed.
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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 107 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Thank fuck for EU and GDPR

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[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 93 points 11 months ago (3 children)

... We're gonna get another cookie click-through, aren't we?

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Do you consent to our use of intrusive browser detection, anti-cheat, rootkit usage and invasive brain implants to bombard you with ads?

Yes | Also yes but more annoying to click through

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 86 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Another three cheers for the EU! 🇪🇺🍻🥂

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[–] spiderman@ani.social 73 points 11 months ago (7 children)
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[–] florge@feddit.uk 70 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

unless it is strictly necessary for the provisions of the requested service.

YouTube could quite easily argue that ads fund their service and therefore an adblock detector would be necessary.

[–] Flaimbot@lemmy.ml 130 points 11 months ago (2 children)

that's not how it is to be interpreted.
it means something like in order for google maps to show you your position they NEED to access your device's gps service, otherwise maps by design can not display your position.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago

Just replying to confirm that "strictly necessary" has never meant, "makes us money." It means technically necessary.

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[–] blargerer@kbin.social 25 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Adblock detection has literally already been ruled on though (it needs consent). I'm sure there are nuances above my understanding, but it's not that simple.

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[–] _bac@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I am not paying for Premium again until they bring the dislike button back.

[–] onichama@feddit.de 72 points 11 months ago

I am not paying for Premium.

[–] amir_s89@lemmy.ml 58 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It was pathetic for them to hide away this button with its statistics. Honestly it's an valuable tool.

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[–] SneakyWeasel@lemmy.world 65 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Don't ask how, but my dad found out that at least with Ublock, cleaning the cache in the addon makes it bypass the stupid pop-up.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 33 points 11 months ago

Because they updated their filters so you have to clear the old cached filters

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[–] nicknoxx@feddit.uk 56 points 11 months ago (6 children)

As an English person I thought yay that means us. Then I remembered. . .

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Not that the social media corps have ever given a shit.

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[–] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

You should all go file a complaint with a data protection agency.

The thread in the linked social network suggests concentrating the complaints to the Irish DPC: https://forms.dataprotection.ie/contact

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[–] mr_satan@monyet.cc 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)
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[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago (6 children)

So is this basically saying youtube isn't allowed to detect an adblocker?

I'm not sure I really follow why that specifically is something they're policing.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 70 points 11 months ago (15 children)

It about device detection and privacy. Websites in the EU aren't allowed to scan your hardware or software without your permission, to protect the users privacy. Adblockers fall under this.

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