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scarily... They don't need to to be this creepy, but even I'm a tad baffled by this.

Yesterday me and a few friends were at a pub quiz, of course no phones allowed, so none were used.

It came down to a tie break question of my team and another. "What is the run time of the Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the ring" according to IMDb.

We answered and went about our day. Today my friend from my team messaged me - top post on his "today feed" is an article published 23 hours ago.....

Forgive the pointless red circle.... I didnt take the screenshot.

My friend isn't a privacy conscience person by any means, but he didnt open IMDb or google anything to do with the franchise and hasn't for many months prior. I'm aware its most likely an incredible coincidence, but when stuff like this happens I can easily understand why many people are convinced everyone's doom brick is listening to them....

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[–] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 7 points 14 hours ago

Do not forget phones give location/profile data and can easily extrapolate the people you're meeting. It doesn't even need GPS, just need to see which wifi networks are available and compare.

More than listening, it deduces things based on the fingerprints people leave.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 12 points 19 hours ago

I mean, I know everyone says it’s impossible for phones to be listening, but I feel like there are just too many examples for that to be the case. My friend was looking for something for our other friends birthday. Her husband suggested opening instagram and talking about the thing she was looking for, describing the specific jacket, saying the company started with an “A.” Minutes later, she got the ad for the jacket she was looking for.

When I was driving with some people from work, we were talking about daddy Yankee, and his song “gasolina.” We were using maps to navigate home from an away job. On our route, suddenly there were multiple waypoints suggested on our map, “estaciones de gasolina.” We were speaking English, the person whose phone it was doesn’t speak Spanish.

If they’re not listening, how could these things be possible?

[–] classy99999@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago

They do.. especially meta app make sure u always close them after use

[–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Phones abaolutely do listen, but not to audio via the mic. When Apple and Google tell you they respect your privacy, they mean they don't harvest data directly from a live feed of the mic nor camera; they still scan your files in some cases, and they harvest your browsing history, and read your text messages metadata, and check your youtube watch history, and scan your contacts, and check your location, and harvest hundreds of other litttle tiny data points that don't seem like much but add up to a big profile of you and your behavior and psyche.

So your friend was at a pub quiz with a couple dozen other people, and his phone knew where he was and who was nearby. A statistically significant portion of the people there were not privacy conscious and googled "Lord of the Rings runtime" or something similar. All that data got harvested by Google and Apple, and processed, and then the most recent and fitting entry from some master list of customers' sites' articles was pushed to all their newsfeeds.

Humans don't understand intuitively how much information is being processed through nonverbal means at any given time, and that's the disconnect large companies exploit when they say misleading things like "noooo, your phone isn't listening to you."

But it's totally not privacy invasive, because at no point along the line did a human view your data (/s)

[–] lattrommi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The person asking the trivia question needed to know the answer, so they could determine who was correct.

Phones, as I understand them, average about 30 pings per second. That's 30 times per second the phone is checking for signal strength with the nearest tower, among other data.

They also work with any device that has wifi or bluetooth to help with location triangulation. So anyone at trivia that had their phone on them and powered, had their position noted as well as their proximity to others. If the location has smart TV's on the walls, those were picking up the pings as well. If they have internet available to customers, there's another point picking up the info.

It's already been shown that a few companies have listened to microphones. The data being extrapolated is so large, listening to the microphone would be counterproductive and redundant. There are devices everywhere, security cameras, billboards, inside each row of shelves at your grocery store, in every car that has a computer, lights at intersections, smart watches and other IOT devices, even appliances these days have wifi and bluetooth like refridgerators, coffee pots, robot vacuums, treadmills, i could go on.

It's scary that some company might be listening to your through your phones microphone but the real scary thing is that they don't need to. They knew people at that trivia game would be searching for that answer before the question was even asked, without needing to listen in.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

I hope they listen to me absolutely ripping ass. The idea that some corporate lackey who is noting what I say to feed me targeted ads just has his eardrums blown out by my booty thunder on a regular basis warms my heart.

[–] Kanzar@sh.itjust.works 64 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Other folks in the area searched it, and bluetooth nearby as well as wifi tracking put them all in the same place. Same as old mate with the Spanish comment, he was hanging around in an area with folks who regularly look at stuff in Spanish.

What you think might be spontaneous isn't.

[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

Somehow I find this much worse.

[–] padlock4995@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Very valid point! Clearly people cheating!

[–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 days ago

What's scary is that tracking tech is so good they don't even need to listen to you to know what you've been talking/thinking about.

[–] smpl@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Your fellow competitors did not necessarily perform the search when they were at the pub. It could be a the john when they got home. Your data profile is still tied to them right now.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

Or just looking up the answer afterwards.

[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago

Please charge your phone

[–] Generica@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm an Android/Google/Pixel person. I have a Google Home speaker at work (self-employed barber/stylist) and was playing old classic country music a few weeks ago. My client mentioned that her husband's favorite artist is Porter Wagoner and his favorite song is Cold Hard Facts Of Life. Well, guess what the very next song was? And now, ever since then, I've been inundated with that song. It plays constantly.

[–] __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I was watching a recording of Jeopardy (captured via antenna) on my private media server. This was not a recording of a recent episode. One of the answers was a band I've never heard of. The next day Pandora played a song by that band.

[–] Generica@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Today I decided to check with a couple of local insurance agencies to see if I could get my family's current coverage any cheaper. I never searched for this specific topic, only for contact info to reach out to a couple of agencies. Then I made two phone calls, sent two emails via the Gmail app including my current policies declaration pages, and I received one text message from an insurance agency. Now my news stream is flooded with ads for comparing insurance rates and changing companies.

[–] bran_buckler@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This could also be the baader-meinhof phenomenon (also known as the frequency illusion)

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

more than likely it was the two emails in the gmail app

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

wasn't there a thing recently where it became clear they do listen?

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

My fairphone even SHOWED me the mic was running, in the top banner. Sure enough, google had accessed my mic that minute, clearly stated in the settings. I've turned it off since, but I don't trust that. I'll have to get around to switching to calyx.

[–] padlock4995@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hadnt heard of this if so

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A whistleblower from apple showed that they do listen and have whole lawyer client conversations were recorded at apple. I dont know if that was what the commenter before was hinting at.

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 2 days ago

Exactly. I only read about it in combination with the court case but yes, this is the underlying situation iirc.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you think your Apple phone isn't listening to you, I have some seaside real estate I'd like to sell you in Montana.

[–] padlock4995@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Again, not my device personally

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Phones are spyware by definition

[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

No no, they listen. How do you think the "Hey Google" feature works? It has to listen for the key phrase. Might as well just listen to everything else.

I spent some time with a friend and his mother and spoke in Spanish for about two hours while YouTube was playing music. I had Spanish ads for 2 weeks after that.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 15 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Your phone listens for the phrase "Hey Google" and uses little processing power to do so. If it was listening to everything and processing that information, your battery would die incredibly fast. We're talking charging your phone multiple times a day even if you weren't using it for anything else.

As someone else mentioned in another commend, being near Spanish speakers' phones, Bluetooth/Wifi tracking are what Google is using to track you. They search Google in Spanish, Google can tell you spend time with them, Google thinks you speak Spanish.

[–] wintermute@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago

Exactly. Phones have dedicated hardware that stores the trigger word and wakes up the OS when it detects it.

[–] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 points 2 days ago

Well shit. That makes a lot of sense.

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This stuff isn't magic. It's tech. These things can be proved by analyzing network traffic.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 4 points 2 days ago

It would be pretty easy to test, too.

Get a pre-paid phone. Set up a brand-new Google or Apple account. Activate phone using the new account. Put it through its paces for a few hours and note the ads you get.

Shoot the shit with your friends and family with the phone on the table for a few hours.

Put the phone through its paces again and note the ads you get.

[–] Ethalis@jlai.lu 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The amount of processing power that would be needed to listen the output of billions of devices 24/7 just to push ads wouldn't make economic sense.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 3 points 2 days ago

AI acceleration ASICs are already in a lot of hardware these days. It doesn't take a whole lot anymore for it to be both cheap and feasible.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Well neither dies the cost of llm but that's bit stopping them

[–] ggppjj@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Prove your extraordinary claim.

Iirc correctly maybe it wasn’t picked up on a mic but if your friends all googled it after, it’s likely their devices and accounts were already associated with you, so online services will think maybe you’d bet interested in it too.

[–] tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

yes, they listen to everything

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Phones absolutely listen. But they probably process the speech locally, unless there’s a trigger word flagged, and send mostly text.

But then it was found Google would upload the audio when a zipper sound was heard, so who knows how often your triggering spy conditions.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

One day I had my phone charging on the same table I was measuring a liquid from two glass dropper bottles. The phone heard me shaking the bottles, clinking the glass pipettes, and dropping the liquid into water. I’ve never ever talked about dropper bottles as I didn’t know what they are called before this incident. I had bought the liquids with their bottles about a month before, and I’ve only ever referred to them by the brand name of the liquid.

My Quora feed 20 minutes later:
“What are the advantages of using dropper bottles in chemical processes?”

More incidents: https://www.quora.com/Is-Quora-listening-to-my-conversations-Why-do-suggestions-pop-up-relating-to-what-I-am-talking-to-my-friends-family-about-offline/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I am convinced they do listen. I have had 2 instances og this. Once I was talking with my mom about some new bedsheets and covers. She later went to the store and sent me a picture to see if it's okay. I later got an add for the exact same bedsheets and covers.

Had another similar thing when I got an add for some stuff we were just talking about with some people. Cannot remember what specifically.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Phones listen but not on the way you think, I'd say they just listen for keywords the same way it listens for "hey Google" also who knows maybe he searched it beforehand or is a fan

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