That's not fascist at all.
Aufmachen!
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There's this old song by a British band called The Clash. Something something about Brixton. And the Brits don't even have a second amendment.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun
"If you are in the country illegally, you are on the table"
Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
You people and businesses need to understand you can't build quality of life by using semi slave work
What you're pretending to miss is that those in powers are making sure that those people remain "illegal" , on purpose. In the first place, you're the one creating the situation of them being "in the country illegally".
The correct solution is to give them papers, not to deport them and treat them like criminals for a situation you put them in. Remember that the "you're on the table" argument that you claim is reasonable is putting them in prison where you can exploit them harder as slaves, it's only one step after what's happening to them already.
Everyone can be illegal if you don't make anyone legal and then claim they're only getting punished because they broke the law. There's nothing reasonable there.
Yeah, because sending them to guantanamo, children and women included, is so humane. Good thing they won't be in America where they are 'slaves'.
2017 Democrats: "Trump's expansion of the ICE is creating a personal police force to do his bidding."
2025 Democrats: "The fuck you want me to do about it? I already warned you this would happen."
Should've nominated better candidates.
Bernie was on the ballot and Biden doubled his vote count.
:Looks at what happened to Bernie and the current state of America: How's that working out for you guys?
I would love to hear some constructive criticism from you. As in what people can do about it.
Doomerism is all fine and dandy as long as there's a goal in mind. Otherwise you're just rage masturbating in a corner screaming into the void.
Ok here's some constructive criticism: The 2nd Amendment was made for times like these, what would your grandfathers do if they were your age and the Nazis have successfully invaded Americas highest office? Inaction is action. There's plenty of historical info proving that a complacent centrist majority is required to allow a fascist minority to take power. Your "government" has proven time and time again they serve against your interests, for over half a century, when will it get through to you Americans? You can dig and discuss and follow the data all you want and every time it will lead to billionaires, and every time the conversation stops there for some reason. Perhaps Kamala losing because a population of people voted against genocide is a time for self reflection and reevaluation, not doubling down on the very people who got us here in the first place, I personally still hold a grudge since Obama's approach to the 2008 financial crisis that led us to where we are today. Perhaps we need to stop doing human sacrifices so that miracles can be performed by our God "The Markets," didn't we have a whole Enlightenment Era to get over this very thing? (Looks up the history of America and the late 1700s) And perhaps maybe, just maybe, occupying a sidewalk and leaving politely when ordered to doesn't really make the oligarchs afraid or take us seriously. Perhaps the best approach would be to gather en masse, guns out in the open, outside the gated communities of millionaires and billionaires. It's gonna have to happen sooner or later, but later requires many more to suffer. You can say whatever you want but the world is collectively watching what you (Americans) are doing (or aren't doing).
You're advising armed violent revolt in a country you don't live in?
God forbid Americans, the people yelling all day every day about freedom, use guns for constitutional purposes rather than shooting up schools.
That's not the point. The point is accelerationism from outside our borders is what's fueling a lot of the far right populism. Look at my comment history. I'm not for any of what's going on. I promote an organized resistance to what's currently happening and I do not rule out some form of armed partisanship. However, people who live outside our borders that are vying for armed revolt as the very first step; in a country where they themselves do not live, is frustrating.
If you live outside our borders and would like to help, contribute funds to the DSA, Signal, Internet Archive, SPLC, Trevor Project, OCAD or if you have family that lives within the states you can find mutual aid orgs local to them.
Signal https://signal.org/donate/
Democratic Socialists of America https://act.dsausa.org/donate/donation
Internet Archive https://archive.org/donate
Trevor Project https://give.thetrevorproject.org/campaign/652264/donate
Southern Poverty Law Center https://www.splcenter.org/support-us/
Organized Communities Against Deportations https://www.organizedcommunities.org/donate
Localized Mutual Aid Organizations https://www.mutualaidhub.org/
If you live here in the US here's a comment with some helpful resources for organizing.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14977955
If anyone has other resources that should be added here let me know. I'm collecting them for helpful documentation to build out local resources for all Americans as we're going to need to present an organized and cohesive front here at home.
They’re all riding around in militarized machinery with a roof gunner hatch. Full face coverings and taping over doorbell cameras. Goddamned douche larpers trying to pull a Kristallnacht.
Need to create an app like Watch Duty to social track their movements. Local news is doing a good job so far. For now.
Funny thing is this could be done way more cheaply and humanely.
Have an amnesty. If you're in the country illegally, turn yourself in. You get $250 cash and a free ticket to wherever you came from.
Promise that'll cost less than arresting everyone and jailing them.
It's not about money and humanity though.
It's about punishing "other" people.
You're very likely right. I'm certainly not going to stand up and claim Trump is pure as driven snow. Or at the very least, that's a part of it, for many of the people who push such a policy.
I think we'd all agree whoever gave the order to have ICE agents dress up in SWAT gear and go door to door wasn't thinking about humanity.
I think my great-great grandfather immigrated from Ireland. Can I get on board with that?
Too bad it's your great grandfather. If it was your grandfather, you'd be eligible for Irish Citizenship.
hahaha I can see the appeal of a free ticket to Dublin and $250 to spend when you get there...
But no you wouldn't qualify as you're a citizen (born in the USA).
Oh I know I don't qualify. Funny enough was asking dad to find out about his grandfather because that might have gotten him a path to citizenship. Nope, Mississippi.
But you see, being an asshole and dehumanizing+hurting people with immunity is the whole point.
That's the problem- I'm pretty sure you're right. Either that or whoever got the instructions to get rid of undocumented immigrants has no cleverness at all and pushed the only button they can think of (send in jack booted thugs).
Trump may or may not be ignorant but his words fan the flames of racism and xenophobia. And while I think it's possible he's just ignorant, for someone in his position ignorance is no excuse. As President, as a commander, like any other commander he's responsible for the actions of his subordinates when they are following his orders. He doesn't get the luxury of not knowing, not understanding, not being aware of what his orders end up doing.
That's not going to work. You're asking them to abandon their homes, family, friend networks, and be banned from ever returning.
Conservatives characterize immigrants as poor people who haven't been here long and are a burden on our systems. The truth is almost exactly the opposite. The vast majority of the 11 million people here illegally have been here for years, if not decades. They are productive, they pay taxes, and commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens.
The answer is to stop worrying about "economic" migrants. Deport immigrants with DUIs and violent or financial felony convictions. Beef up the department of labor and go after companies paying people less than minimum wage. Then it's not a matter of jobs or services or crime. The only thing left is xenophobia.
For many, I agree. That's also the problem with this sort of policy, it makes no distinction between a migrant poor worker who picks tomatoes or whatever for barely minimum wage and someone who settles in, starts a business, etc.
Deport immigrants with DUIs and violent or financial felony convictions. Beef up the department of labor and go after companies paying people less than minimum wage.
Agree 100% on all.
Then it’s not a matter of jobs or services or crime.
I'm not 100% sure. There's an element of legitimacy to the policy against 'economic migrants', I don't know how big but there's an element.
Let's say you have a difficult and strenuous job. And let's say you have two candidates- a born and raised American, and a Latin American immigrant. If the immigrant has better quality of life here on a minimum wage job than in their home country, they're less likely to demand higher wages or better working conditions because from their POV they've already got 'better'. And that DOES affect the American- if the immigrant will do the job for $8/hr flat and be happy living in a poor neighborhood (because at least there's no cartels like south of the border), but the American wants $12/hr and health benefits, merely having the immigrant there as an option affects the salary the American can get. Because if you remove the immigrant the company will HAVE to raise the wage to $12/hr and offer health benefits. Otherwise the company will hire only immigrants and will keep the wage low.
I recognize this is a generalization and you can't paint all of ANY people with the same brush. You can also flip it around and say forcing the company to hire Americans at the higher wages will increase costs and decrease quality-- say what you want about Latin American immigrants but in most cases I've seen they're pretty much the hardest working mofos around. Thus, having some competition provides incentive for the Americans to work harder.
The problem is, it's VERY hard to have any sort of real discussion on the subject without it being derailed either by accusations of xenophobia or actual xenophobia / racism.
That's the point of the Department of Labor. Nobody wants to work for less pay and no benefits. Corporations can force migrants to work for less than minimum wage, no benefits, and live in overcrowded housing on site because if the migrants complain too much then the corporation just calls ICE.
And at the end of the day if corporations are too powerful and keeping wages down then we can pass a higher minimum wage. But imagine if all those ICE agents were doing spot checks on employers for pay and safety issues. Where we put our resources matters and chasing metaphorical gophers has very quick diminishing returns.
And that's all without the macro economic point of view that points out having more consumers in your country means more economic activity which means more jobs.
Sign me up if this every becomes a thing.
This is awful. Similar to the deportation of Jews in the 1940's in the Third Reich.
Like a Nazi looking for Jews.
In other news the first arrivals are at gitmo concentration camp.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/08/us/politics/guantanamo-bay-migrants.html
In the future: "Everything they had was repossessed by the jackasses associated to these assholes, but now we have freed them and crowdsourced society into compensating them for the stuff those jackasses enriched themselves with, so it's all fine now."
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