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submitted 11 months ago by BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml to c/technology@beehaw.org

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2399016

Twitter’s new X logo wasn’t made by an in-house designer. It’s from an old podcast hosted by one of the cult that Elon took from his replies.

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[-] negativenull@negativenull.com 70 points 11 months ago

Musk's logo for "X" is literally just Unicode Character “𝕏” (U+1D54F).
Which means that #Musk can't trademark the logo.

https://mastodon.social/@Rii_cck@mas.to/110768836422832847

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 23 points 11 months ago

The good news is that "x com" can be trademarked.

The bad news is that "x com" is already trademarked.

[-] marco@beehaw.org 11 points 11 months ago
[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 11 points 11 months ago

xcom is trademarked as a video game. There can be existing trademarks in different spaces. So you could easily get an xcom social media site trademarked.

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 15 points 11 months ago

Yes, it's trademarked for use in video games.

And by another company for use in sporting equipment.

And by another company for fiber optics.

And by another company, as follows...

Telecommunications services, namely, transmission of voice, data, graphics, images, audio, and video via the internet

Yeah, maybe should've stuck with "Twitter"

[-] nzodd@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

That's too many letters though. I'm starting to think this imbecile is just tired of sounding out all seven letters multiple times a day. X is nice and simple, like him.

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago

Let's split the difference. "Twit" fits.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

We'll see. The reality is that if you pay enough you can probably get the trademark off of anyone.

[-] ffolkes@fanexus.com 5 points 11 months ago

Yeah... But maybe not ANYONE... "Mark Zuckerberg's Meta has already registered an 'X' logo in connection to 'online social networking services' and 'social networking services in the fields of entertainment, gaming, and application development.'"

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

True, but ~~Twitter~~ X isn't exactly flush with cash right now. And if it aspires to be an "everything app", it might take more than one payoff.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

I mean if Elon is going to push it, he has plenty of cash to invest into the company to buy out anything. He's also not above just using his personal assets for the company. E.g. X.com now redirects to Twitter.com.

[-] MasterCelebrator@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

Thats true but anyway it doesnt make sense do trash a Brand that has becone verb, has its Logo on Millionen of Websites and is refered to by probably every news Website in existence. Imagine if McDonalds changed their golden M to a gray O.

[-] ffolkes@fanexus.com 2 points 11 months ago

Imagine the confusion when people order a "Big O".

[-] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

“I'm losing control of the situation!!!” —Elon Musk, probably

[-] koper@feddit.nl 23 points 11 months ago

That's not accurate. Copyright and trademark are two different things. The name "twitter" is also just a combination of preexisting characters and the word was probably in use before the company was founded. You can still trademark existing things because trademarks are about preventing consumer confusion, not protecting original creations.

Musk does have a problem with copyright if it turns out this specific design was made by someone else.

[-] FlowVoid@midwest.social 32 points 11 months ago

The US Patent and Trademark Office is generally reluctant to enforce single-letter trademarks, and some countries ban them outright.

[-] helpimnotdrowning@lemmy.sdf.org 61 points 11 months ago

Not to defend musk, but it's not from one specific font. The logo is just Unicode char 1D54F, a blackboard bold X/"MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL X"

[-] pyr0ball@reddthat.com 30 points 11 months ago

Lol so he put even less effort into it than we thought

👏⏱️👏

[-] electromage@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago

A character is nothing without a font though. When you look at a character on-screen, it's being rendered in a specific font. Typing that Unicode character in "Special Alphabets 4" produces the image in question.

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The character (𝕏) doesn’t actually doesn’t exist in the font, because supporting arbitrary Unicode characters in every font would be absurd. Paste it into the font preview and it renders a black square.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago

There are fonts that support every unicode character though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noto_fonts supports up to Unicode 13. How do you think phones display every single unicode character in a text message?

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

Of course there are fonts that support every character, the characters themselves would be useless if they couldn’t be rendered by anything. I’m only saying that this specific font doesn’t support the character.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

Oh, I see, I misread. That's interesting. So it looks like it's typically just a glyph.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago
[-] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 11 months ago

That is a better source then cross posting from lemmy.ml. Thanks.!

[-] thejml@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

Does Musk even have any “In-house” designers anymore? Figured those were let got with the rest of the teams.

[-] bermuda@beehaw.org 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

fonts are ridiculously cheap if you're a billionaire. Musk is stupid, but I doubt he'd be so stupid he didn't pay the like $200 fee.

[-] SafetyGoggles@feddit.de 11 points 11 months ago

You'd be surprised

[-] nzodd@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

If your font has the potential to be made into a logo, you would think the designer would have the sense to negotiate a higher rate. I have no idea if that's how it is in practice, but to do otherwise seems quite foolish.

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