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It isn't libel or slander to say he did a nazi salute when he did do it. Now calling him a nazi could be libel or slander, but most rationale people will put two and two together.
But an entertaining headline from a so called free speech absolutist, ofc anyone with half a brain cell also knew that whole thing was a lie.
Now calling him a nazi could be libel or slander
Noting his recent sucking-up to AfD would be a strong defense for that accusation.
Definitely, and his revisionist take that the nazi party were communists or whatever BS him and AdD tried to peddle the other week
Worth noting that he has not, at any point, denied it was a Nazi salute. Closest thing to a denial he's done so far is reply, "Thank you," to an ADL tweet defending him, and he immediately followed that up with a bunch of Nazi puns. Feels like that's gonna hurt his case.
Terrorism by lawsuit?
Welp, as predicted. The reason that many news outlets are hesitant to call out Elon is because they know he will precisely do this. There are instances, of course, where news outlets have inherent bias and downplay some far-right activities (The New York Times in the 1920s claimed Hitler had been reformed after prison), but I think on this occasion news outlets have their fears founded. I'm not saying it's right but that's just how the world works.
Elon Musk did a Nazi salute. I’m Tim Walz.
Elon Musk did a Nazi Salute twice. I’m not Tim Walz just a regular person with eyes.
According to the article, Walz said on MSNBC
“We spent three days debating, or trying to debate that ‘President Musk’ gave a Nazi salute. Of course he did”
Then one of Musk's Xitter followers said “I hope Elon sues [Walz] for all he’s worth.” to which Musk replied "I think I will".
So, Musk was just talking out his ass, and it's doubtful he'll actually file suit.
This has all got me thinking, how else can Musk be manipulated? Exacerbating cat fights in the administration and surrounding MAGAsphere seems like one of the most promising ways to prevent them from doing too much damage.
Make it class action, then, you nazi dork.
That's like the opposite of a class action, which really doesn't exist - closest is like a RICO case
Ok but.. It's not an accusation. He did do that.
Twice.
...and then he made holocaust jokes
...and then he attended a German Nazi rally
...and then the administration he works with announced a concentration camp for undesirable immigrants
You’re misinterpreting a long and consistent pattern of behaviour. And now Elon is going to sue you because that’s what tough non-snowflake people do.
That's right.
I left out the part where Nazis make outrageous, racist claims on Twitter, and he responds: "True."
I'll endeavor to do better in the future.
In any decent country, this would go to court and Musk would be a laughing stock. In America though? That idiot might win.
America is not a country, it's a corp
He'll pull the old Pedo Guy defence and say that's just a friendly wave in South Africa.
Elon Musk is a Pedo Guy.
"I can't be prejudiced. I'm a white billionaire from old money in South Africa."
Since he's now officially part of the government this is actually censorship.
You don't lose the right, as an individual, to file lawsuits just because you're working for the government. That's not using the government's authority; it's something that's available to any individual. Musk can sue without running into First Amendment restrictions on government action.
However, he might have a harder time winning such a lawsuit insofar as he might be more of a public figure due to serving in the government. The bar for defamation is higher for public figures in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
A series of court rulings led by New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964) established that for a public official (or other legitimate public figure) to win a libel case in an American court, the statement must have been published knowing it to be false or with reckless disregard to its truth (i.e. actual malice).
Hard to argue he's not a public figure already.
Gertz v Welsh: He probably is an individual who has "...assumed roles of especial prominence in the affairs of society. Some occupy positions of such persuasive power and influence that they are deemed public figures for all purposes. More commonly, those classed as public figures have thrust themselves to the forefront of particular public controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved. In either event, they invite attention and comment."
Not gonna check if that's still good law. Westlaw, you are dead to me.
He never denied it.
Would love if it would go to trial (he will make sure it won't) and court deciding that it indeed a Nazi salute.
There's nothing even remotely similar, because in the past 80 years we were trying to make sure no one confused us accidentally with Nazis.
Yea, which is the damning part! The whole “misunderstanding” can be wrapped up by by a single sentence: Sorry guys, that wasn’t that and I hope nazis gonna get pegged by living electric poles!
He thinks, "can't we all get beyond this Nazi stuff?" like he said in Germany, while promoting Nazis, is going to make it all go away.
Discovery demands all Elon’s private messages that could be antisemitic.
As a Minnesotan, I'm cool with spending my money to air the Nazi's dirty laundry.
When you SLAPP with a stiff arm, it's not very effective.
Public figure "freeze peach" absolutist Elon Musk thinks the first amendment is his little bitch.
"Let's essentially tell trans people to kill themselves but when I do two full-throated heils at inauguration live, how dare you call them what they are."
I hope he free speech's his way to a bullet.
It is so obvious Mush knew what he was doing. He was positively bursting with that fifth grade "I'm going disrupt the whole class with this outburst" energy.
And then you get to the grossness of the billionaires grinning and cheering in the background while he did it.
The reason he did it (besides being off his rocker on K) was that he expected the crowd to reciprocate. The crowd cheered, but he hoped they would return the salute. It was a litmus test of how far they'd gotten in terms of total mental control of their drones.
I don't think he thought that far ahead. I think he likes being the edgiest of edgy boys. He's also a gigantic loser, a living repudiation of the idea of a meritocracy, and a Nazi. BUT he is also the guy who unironically called himself "Dark, gothic MAGA" and did stupid little jumps to try and do some pseudo ymca bullshit by making an X with his body.
Dudes a cringe lord like before anything else, imo.
Hey Felon Musk, if you don't want people accusing you of being a Nazi, then don't do Nazi shit. It's not a hard concept to understand once you pull your head out of your ass.
Elon Musk, the Nazi?
Correct. Elon Musk, the Nazi who does Nazi salutes because Elon Musk is a Nazi.
It was a nazi salute done by a nazi to a nazi in a room full of nazis.. I am not sure what else you would call it.
He's a lot like trump. When you have that much money, it's basically infinite, you get anything you want, anything. So you just do stuff, whatever pops into your head, because there are no consequences. When there are no consequences, nothing matters. You're the main character, everything revolves around you. What does that do to a person's mind? We see the answer before us in Musk and Trump.
It must get so boring, when you're surrounded by people who are nothing more than background characters in your movie, servants at your beck and call, sycophants flattering you. So you have to do outrageous things to get people to react. Do a nazi salute. Threaten to invade Greenland or Panama. Get them to say something against you, so you can punish them, to feel your power. Sue them, destroy them, squash them like a bug because you need to prove to yourself over and over that you're not the pathetic loser your father always said you were.
no one (e.g. musk) should ever have this much money - and therefore this much unfettered power. billionaires should not exist. the fact that they do is an existential global danger.
his "fuck you in particular" money threatens every. single. person... simultaneously.
I hope the Nazi does, so he has to describe how elon's Nazi salute and the Nazis doing the Nazi salute are different.
Sorry this is from the dude that called someone rescuing people in a cave "pedo guy" because he didn't get the chance to look like the hero?
If it wasn't a Nazi salute then do it again. Do it in broad daylight in a public place where you don't have security. You know what you did and any sane person knows what you did. And still, to this day, you haven't even denied it.
Go do it in Germany
Is he going to sue everyone else with eyes too? It's not an accusation. You did it, stand by it.
Why ? He made the salute.