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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

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[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 33 points 4 hours ago

Sure, yeah, anti-big tech.

[–] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago

Did he (the CEO) really need to do this? Orange πŸ„ Guy's probably never even heard of Proton. The transition for me from Tuta to Proton was long and rough, so I'm not prepared to jump ship just yet and really hope I won't have to.

[–] Ballissle@lemmy.zip 27 points 4 hours ago (7 children)

Ffs. I just switched a ton of stuff over to proton. Hopefully this is an individuals view and not that of the company as a whole.

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Yeah ..... One leads straight to the other.....

[–] DerdWurst@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Me too... Fack...

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (5 children)

Biden's pick Lina Khan deserves all the credit for aggressively prosecuting anti-competitive practices. However, Gina Slater looks like someone capable of continuing that work and a legitimate admirer of Lina Khan. Yes there are ties to Vance and the FTC office is likely to end up beholden to the egomaniac in chief. So the whole "little man" thing aside (that's baloney), that's one person that's not a shit stain out of all the shit stains in the incoming cabinet.

Look Lemmy, you're welcome to choose what you want in your life and what you don't. But being too rigid with letting stupid opinions of a project's founder cause you to reject everything, would have you miss the big-picture benefits of having such a project exist. If you look at this Lemmy development co-leader's opinions on transgenderism, are you going to stop using this software that lets you converse on an LGBTQ+ safe-space instance with no involvement on a social level from said developer/founder?

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 hours ago

Vance, the U.S. vice president-elect, has said antitrust officials should take a broader approach to antitrust enforcement, and praised the work of Federal Trade Commission Chair Lina Khan

Reading this confuses me greatly because republicans, especially Jim Jordan from what I remember, have been harassing and preventing Lina Khan and the FTC from taking action against big corporations.

Hell of she is doing such a great job, why fire her and replace her with a snake whose views are the antitheses of Khan's outlook.

[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

No, it's not only one person in the board. They confirmed their stance via their official Mastodon account. https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The lemmy devs may have opinions, but they've never interfered with blahaj zone or anything

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

A CEO or any kind of leader gets to determine the path that their organization takes. Slater may seem good now; but we won't know until the proof shows up in the pudding, so you can only try to guess based on whom she take orders from. (Fwiw: I hope you're right)

Bourgeoisie liberals do indeed use the transgendered in the same way that they used gays back in the 1990's, as little more than a virtue signal and now (just like back then) they retreat from that virtue signal when it no longer suites their purposes.

Unlike the Democrats & other liberals; there is plenty proof in Lemmy's pudding of its creators' intentions. The generations long reconciliations that LGBTQIA people had to struggle & die to force acceptance in the western world; despite the Democrats; is now falsely appropriated to pink wash anyone/anything who disagrees like it is here.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I get you. It's important to remember there is nuance on topics/people you agree and disagree with, rather than jumping to "is against transgenderism", or "agrees with Republicans on everything".

Like you say, actions will speak louder than words. The further the Proton team can put their product and governance away from these opinions the better. The transition to non-profit structure is a positive step in that regard.

edit: forgot an important word in my comment

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

if actions speak louder than words, then what does it say about your pink washing attempt?

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[–] definitely_human@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 118 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Standing up for the little guy. Huh. Is that why billionaires and CEO are throwing literal tens of millions at Trump? Why he staffed his cabinet with billionaires? Why the center of his policy is tax cuts for the giga wealthy, at the expense of everyone else and the national debt, at a time where wealth inequality is literally tearing the country apart?

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/15/trump-windfall-fundraising-500-million

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/09/trump-wealth-cabinet-politicians-billionaires

These are objective, public facts. Like, I'm way more conservative than Lemmy’s center and willing acknowledge any good Trump does, but what reality is this guy living in? Who is this statement for? Who the heck does he think is using Proton services? He just pissed off his employees and customers for… What?

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 26 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Probably doesn't want to get banned in the US... Or so my copium tells me.

Silver lining is that Proton is owned by a non-profit.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I was thinking this for a second, but is this really plausible? Normally when we talk about corporations we talk about how powerful they are and how they use different nations to locate headquarters and offices in order to mitigate legal and tax obligations. We regularly talk about how governments can't reign them in and how they act with impunity.

But now? "They HAVE to capitulate. They are just doing it to survive." Really? Do we really believe that? Or is it more likely that this is what they want and if they didn't, they'd be fighting tooth and nail to stop it? I'm with the second option honestly.

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[–] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 26 points 4 hours ago (2 children)
[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 22 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

...and you're out. That's enough for me.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Dude got weird "Libertarian" vibes:

But he's just one of five board members of the Non-Profit that owns Proton AG, not really a doomsday event... yet.

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It's so all over the map, what does or doesn't count as toughness. That criteria rewrites itself in real time like the plot of a dream.

Avoiding or ignoring questions I would have thought is weakness. Letting covid sweep the country. Falling behind China and India with a weaker labor force. Being ready to surrender to Russia. Being unable to confront the truth that you lost an election.

Any number of mixed and matched definitions could include or exclude those from operative definitions of toughness/weakness without and make just as much sense. It's all just working backwards from tribalism.

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Let's see if he keeps Leena Khan if he's so anti trust

[–] HorikBrun@kbin.earth 204 points 7 hours ago (25 children)
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[–] this@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 hours ago (8 children)

God. Fucking. Dam. It.

I use too many of their services right now to get everything switched over to something else before trump takes power.

The swiss better fucking jail this guy if he hands over data to the us government without swiss court approval, per swiss law.

Now I have to find a new password manager, VPN, and email provider. Open to suggestions, but I want to find services that aren't hosed in the us or by trump friendly countries/companies, and ideally use open source software and zero access encryption.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 hours ago

It might not have all the convenience of Proton Pass, but Keepass has been and probably always will be dependable.

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[–] anothermember@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Hmm... is Tuta still good these days?

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago

Talking from a usability standpoint it's gotten much better. It's still slow to open the app but the search got much better.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 55 points 5 hours ago (13 children)

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and that applies to tech. I pay for Proton and this is disappointing af but not shocking. Corporations and wannabe billionaires always fold to fascism.

Gonna start looking around at alternative email services to consider but I use my Proton email everywhere, so switching away is going to suck.

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[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] randomwords@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago

Mailbox.org

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