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[–] hark@lemmy.world 44 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Can someone explain to me how it's worse for a foreign government to have your information than your own government having that same information? Your own government is far more likely to actually be able to do something about you.

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

It probably won't make a difference for you, but if you worked in a government facility and they're spying on you, obtaining credentials, obtaining information on infrastructure in the energy sector, government facilities, etc., getting network credentials, getting floorplans, getting times where a changing of the guard occurs, etc. - any foreign entity can use that info to tear a country down from the inside and kick off a full scale war.

Local government isn't going to self-saborage with that information. Yeah, spying on the citizens is awful and we should avoid any apps/devices that do that too, but that's not as bad as war unless it gets so bad that it gets to a point of civil war which seems unlikely.

inb4 tankies claim "conspiracy":
China hacked US Telecom Infrastructure
China hacking US Treasury
Two recent events I was able to dig up fairly quickly. Wouldn't be surprised if there's more. Apparently they tapped Trump's phone too, but not sure how credible the article/source is.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

That's true but it doesn't apply to the vast majority of people. People who work in the government should be more aware of these things and I believe the tiktok ban started as only on government devices which is a lot more reasonable than a blanket ban.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 7 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Not a foreign gov. China.

This is analogous to the diff between Ireland having nukes and Russia having nukes.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, what is China going to do about me calling their president winnie the pooh or bringing up tiananmen square or whatever?

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)
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[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 7 points 21 hours ago

So can you answer the question now that we know it's China? Why is it worse that China has user info over the US?

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[–] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I think tiktok should be banned for its addictive algorithm. It is far worse than any other social media for that reason.

[–] Estebiu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 hours ago

Ah yes, freedoommm!!

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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago
[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 71 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Imagine cheering that your government decided witch social media are you allowed to use.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago

This meme brought to you by some poor CIA agent

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well yeah, but it's the US government which hasn't ever done anything problematic before. I'm sure it's for everyone's best interest. /S

Which if that were true, still wouldn't matter.

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[–] FrankFrankson@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

There is sooooo much weird conspiracy shit in these comments. The government is banning TikTok becuase they collect too much data and the Chinese government could eaisly get access to all of it. The correct thing to do would be to regulate data collection but that would be problematic for Google, Meta, Microsoft, Apple..etc etc... so instead they just ban TikTok. All this TikTok refusing to spread deep state US govt propaganda horse shit is a bit past nuts.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a pretty sane explanation.

I'm also at least partially convinced that it's motivated by our social media giants' interest to "think of the children" their competition away.

Seeing as the order was basically "Get bought by an American corpo or get banned." They either plunder the competitor's insane data collection, userbase, and profits, or kick them off their corner.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can also see it as retribution.

"Get bought by a Chinese entity or get banned" is the default posture of the Chinese government. BMW China is Chinese. Samsung China is Chinese. Panasonic China is Chinese. GM China is Chinese. If TikTok US is forced to be American, it wouldn't be the most unfair thing this week.

[–] CharmOffensive@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You can't have your "we're better than them cos freedumb" cake and eat it too.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 4 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Well, let's set the bar at not having concentration camps or not going to jail or being made "dissappear" for criticizing the government. For now...

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[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Aren't they a 49:51 split international company:Chinese version?

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 12 hours ago

As long as the Chinese entity has control, it's fair game.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 72 points 1 day ago (11 children)
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[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, I forgot the other social media apps don't collect data and spew propaganda. Oh wait... They do.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 37 points 1 day ago

Yeah but only for the benevolent western ultra rich oligarchs, so it's gucci.

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Since this is the place for the most serious discussion:

If US lawmakers focused on protecting American's privacy with some sensible privacy laws coughGDPR equivalent cough, we could avoid pulling out the ban hammer to play whack-a-mole on these companies.

Companies would simply be punished by the law for being malicious or irresponsible with your data, forcing industries to take privacy seriously and make investments in protecting and not leaking it.

[–] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 3 points 18 hours ago

Yes, now they just need the incentive to act and the knowledge of how to operate electronic devices.

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[–] beefbot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

FTFY

edit : ooooh the wee St Petersburg trollies are tryin’ ta tryin’ ta ain’tcha!

News flash, responder-guys: if you’re even humans & not the AI bots who took most of your colleagues’ jobs, you’re still always be undervalued by your bosses. They’ll never, ever save you: they’ll save their Teslas and stock portfolios instead. Your life kinda sucks and there’s nothing you can do about it AND YOU CHOSE THIS LIFE, DIDNT YOU. Free yourself. Quit this shit job and go back to school before it’s too late.

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[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 day ago (40 children)

Tiktok got banned not for peddling "chinese propaganda" but instead not peddling the US one.

All the major tech companies in the US take measures to ensure content deemed unworthy by the government never become mainstream or viral.

This is done under the pretense of stopping "hate speech" or "terroristic propaganda" but often include things like pro-palestinian content or class struggle content (like luigi mangione stuff).

Tiktok was bold enough to not do that by default, cuz they wanted someone to ask them to do this and then it would become a huge scandal about how the US suppresses free speech. And US gov don't want to do that for this exact reason as well. So they decided to ban it.

Remember talks for this "law" were initiated when all of a sudden tiktok became a host for pro-palestinian voices. We should ask ourselves, how is it that 60% of americans want the government to stop arms sales to israel but this 60% never shows up on the big social media platforms. But on other platforms like here in lemmy and tiktok, pro-palestinians is the majority.

For further reading, listen to employees fired from big US tech companies for voicing their concerns over the palestine issue, or read Meta's new terms and conditions specially the section on "dangerous organizations and individuals".

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Fuck you. I'm going to RedNote. Purely out of spite. Because I'd rather dropship my DNA to the Communist Party of China HQ than give my data to Zucc or Elon.

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