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The House of Commons is days from passing Bill S-210, a dangerously broad age verification bill that would put an age lock on most of Canada's Internet and threaten every Canadian’s privacy.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 days ago

"there's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation," Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.

I know the quote was originally in defense of gay rights but the premise still stands .... the government has no business in knowing what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, or home or private space. The governments job is to police and restrict what is illegal and made available online, not in monitoring what people are doing.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm so fucking tired of all this government over reach.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This is what decades of incremental power creep results in. To make matters worse, the liberals share a large part of the responsibility for this outcome. Liberal voters favor strong governments that are heavily involved in people's lives. They've given no consideration to what that involvement means when the liberals eventually hand power back to conservatives, which happens on a circular basis in democracies. So the liberals hand more power to the government, which gets inherited by the conservatives, who use it against the people. Rinse and repeat.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago

Liberal voters favor strong governments that are heavily involved in people's lives

Citation needed for that one

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Can you expand on what you mean by "heavily involved in people's lives"?

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

UPDATE October 16, 2024: Bill S-210 is set for FINAL vote in the House this November—with ZERO fixes in sight! This is our LAST CHANCE!

Little late.

The bill hasn't passed third reading yet; hopefully it will die with the upcoming election.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Cons have been pushing this bill and others like it for ages, so expect to see more of it.

What disappoints me the most is that the other parties (Green, NDP, PQ) are all backing it. It's garbage - even if you support a nanny state, it's garbage. The only real purpose of this bill is to eventually ban pornography entirely.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All the parties are colluding together again? They must have been called up to Ottawa again for another "Solidarity Meeting"

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Seems the libs are the only ones opposed to it based on what I read. It fucking sucks

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We're gonna elect the fuckwit greaser, and this dog of a bill will be gently pushed along. They've successfully made us hate the best non-conservative we've had in a while, and their 9-year quest is complete. Our best chance is a minority-cheesedick gov, but even then the opposition will be a feckless post-justin red party.

We're doomed, Mr Harry.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess it was filibustered last time it came up. I'm hoping it will die as well, but I won't count on it.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Seems like the cons are all about it so I doubt it will die. Just more erosion of privacy

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And there's also Bill C-63 that may fuck us up too..

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I read the bill and came across this in section 11:

Before prescribing an age-verification method under subsection (1), the Governor in Council must consider whether the method

(a) is reliable;

(b) maintains user privacy and protects user personal information;

(c) collects and uses personal information solely for age-verification purposes, except to the extent required by law;

(d) destroys any personal information collected for age-verification purposes once the verification is completed; and

(e) generally complies with best practices in the fields of age verification and privacy protection.

Do I think this is a good bill or a necessary bill? No.

Do I think it can be abused to block a wide swath of sites? Yes.

Does it necessarily lead to that as the OP article suggests? No.

Does it put people on a list that can be leaked? In principle it should not.

Will it make it more difficult for smaller websites like lemmy.ca to host? Possibly, but most likely not, as it can operate as normal until the government gives the server admins an official notice.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Does it put people on a list that can be leaked? In principle it should not.

Yet it almost certainly will.

[–] cadekat@pawb.social 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The fact that it must be collected at all is the problem. I have very little faith that the government will actually choose a privacy preserving solution, and even if they do, I doubt it'll be implemented perfectly.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

This would be rather useless; it would stop porn sites from charging customers for access in Canada, and from hosting in Canada, without maintaining an age registry.

So in reality, it would require legit sites that serve R content (think NetFlix and Prime Video) to do what they already kinda sorta do, and wouldn’t impact many other services at all.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Geez. First you guys have universal healthcare and now you will get the recognition my country refuses to give me.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Canada doesn't have universal healthcare.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And if we're not careful, we'll lose universal access.

[–] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Haven't been to an ER lately? It's already happening.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, Mars and beyond was a bit too expensive to cover.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 1 points 6 days ago

Don't be arrogant. It's literally being dismantled in front of our eyes.

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 3 points 6 days ago

I live in Alberta. Are you aware of the threat to healthcare access in our country? Ever heard of Covenant Health?