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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

My daughter wants to play Sims 3 and use her Zune. I'm sure it's possible to do both with enough work and time spent tracking down old utilities but how much time do I want to spend on that when I could just crank out a VM.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"Anymore"? I haven't ever owned a Windows machine, and I haven't used a Windows machine since 2015. I do have to fix a random issue on my wife's work laptop about once a month.

I get that there are some things some people can't do without and which keeps them in Windows: games, and requirements of their business (Word, Excel, PPT), but nothing about Linux has gotten significantly better in recent years. Incrementally, over there past decade, sure, but no big, recent change that might justify the title.

Except in the same way I've never needed Windows: in a very specific, individual way.

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Coming from someone who just migrated myself and my family within the last year. Flatpaks were a big deal. I get people have their criticisms of it but wow, installing and updating apps is so much easier now compared to when I tried linux last and flatpak is probably the main reason why we are still on Linux today.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 2 points 6 hours ago

As a person who was all in on the AppImage distribution system (vs Flatpaks), I'm both sad and excited to see how well Flatpaks seem to be working out.

I guess they won that little competition in the end - which seems good, as there's now a healthy standard we can focus on.

It's genuinely great to now have widely accepted distribution independent packaging standards.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Me neither, if anything it's the other way around.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 21 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Why is this thread getting flooded with people saying how they can't use Linux? Isn't that a little odd coming from a Linux community?

[–] Strykker@programming.dev 20 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Because on lemmy a post getting 100 up votes is enough to end up somewhere high on all, so your seeing people from outside of the Linux community in here.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago

That's why I'm here, front page.

[–] coriza@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

I would say "people don't see the community a post is in before commenting?" But of course they don't. :'(

[–] andioop@programming.dev 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Hiya, intending to switch from Windows to Linux (it looks like I'll finally be pulling the proverbial trigger this holiday season!) but I got here via Local sorted by Active on programming.dev. I am not subbed to Linux.

In other words, people outside the target audience are getting exposed to this post.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Because people are mad any time someone suggests they could change anything about themselves. It's pretty sad.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

But this is a Linux community

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 9 points 14 hours ago

Lemmy is still a small place with a lot of Linux users, so this likely shows up in several people's /all

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 50 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Okay, look, I don't want to be a hater, I promise. I have a setup with a Linux dual boot in my computer right now. But man, the crazy echo chamber around this issue is not just delusional, it's counterproductive. Being in denial about the shortcomings isn't particularly helpful in expanding reach, if that's what you all say you want.

So, in the spirit of balance, my mostly unbiased take on the listicle:

1 - Web tools get the job done: This is true when it's true. I work with Google's office suite, so yeah, many tools are indistinguishable. But not all tools are web tools. A big fallacy in this article is that just because a subset of items have embraced a solution doesn't mean that the solution is universal. If you need to work with Adobe software you're still SOL. MS Office still lacks some features on the web app. Some of the tools I use don't work, so I do still need to run those in a native Windows app. Since I'm not going to switch OSs every time I need to push a particular button, I'm going to default to Windows for work.

2 - Plenty of distros to suit your preference: This one is an active downside, and it pisses me off when it gets parroted. When I last decided to dual boot Linux I had to try five different distros to find one that sort of did everything I needed at once, which was a massive waste of time. I'm talking multiple days. Yes, there are a ton of distros. I only need to use one, though. But I need that one to work all the time. If one of the distros can get my HDR monitor to work but not my 5.1 audio and another can get my 5.1 audio setup to work, but not my monitors, then both distros are broken and neither is useful to me. This actually happened, incidentally.

3 - Steam has a decent collection of Linux games, plus Steam OS: Yes. Gaming on Linux is possible and works alright, but it's far from perfect. Features my Nvidia card runs reliably on Windows are hit-and-miss under Linux. Not all games are compatible in the first place, either. And while Heroic does a great job of running my GOG and Epic libraries, which are themselves just as big as my Steam one, it is a much bigger hassle to set up to run under the SteamOS game mode UI. Don't get me wrong, this has made huge strides but again, I'm not going to change OSs every time I hit a compatibility snag. This is the least fallacious of these points, though.

4 - Proprietary choices on Linux: Yes, there are some. Like the web app thing, the problem isn't what is there, it's what's missing. Also, as a side note, I find it extremely obnoxious when you have to enable these manually as an option in your package manager. As a user I don't care if a package is open source or not, I just want to install it.

5 - Electron makes app availability easier. Cool. Will take your word for it. Acknowledging the ideological debate behind it goes to the same argument I made in the previous point. And as above, it's not about what's there, it's about what's missing.

6 - No ads in your OS. I mean... nice? I still get ads for my selected distro on first boot, as well as on web apps and notifications for installed apps. Beyond a few direct links to first party apps in the one page of Win 11's settings app I don't find anything in Windows particularly intrusive, either. Which is not to say I don't dislike some of the overly commercial choices in Windows, they're just not a dealbreaker... yet.

7 - Docker, Homelab and self-hosting: This is... off topic, honestly. I do self host some things. Even used Docker once or twice... in my NAS, where the self-hosting happens. You don't need to switch your home desktop to Linux for that, and nobody is questioning that Linux is the OS of choice for a whole host of device ranges, from servers to the Raspberry Pi. Linux is great as a customizable underlying framework to build fast support for a niche device with a range of specific applications. We should be honest about how that breaks down if you try to use it as a widely accessible home computer alternative where the priorities are wide compatibility and ease of use.

Well, that became a huge thing, but... yeah, I guess I was annoyed enough by the delusion to rant. Look, I'd love to step away from Windows, and it's a thing you can do if you're tech savvy and willing to pretzel around the limitations in your hardware choices and your willingness to tinker... but it's not a serious mainstream alternative by a wide margin. I wish it was. Self-congratulatory praise within the tiny bubble of pre-existing fans (and why are there fans of operating systems in the first place?) is not going to help improve or widen its reach.

[–] Kacarott@aussie.zone 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

why are there fans of operating systems in the first place

Operating systems are huge endeavours of engineering and design by entire teams of people over decades, which are used literally daily. Is that not enough of a reason for people to be fans of them?

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[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The only reason I have a windows laptop at home is because my employer forces me to. It's true that Adobe and MS stuff doesn't run or runs bad, same with some specific live service games. Personally I hate all of those and am more than happy to avoid em like the plague outside of work hours. They're horrible inadequate tools and horrible predatory games. Everything I actually wanted personally, has so far run just fine for years.

Edit: Remembered one specific thing that does really suck on Linux, and that's music production. That area is absolutely cluttered with proprietary shit. Even switching between windows and macos is a pain as many of the tools are just not compatible.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Regarding Office, fear not! Microsoft is working hard to remove functionality from the Windows and Mac desktop apps, so soon we'll have feature parity! See: "New Outlook".

They've been pushing this shit for years already, nobody wants it, and they're forcing it next year despite still not fixing shared calendars (among other things). New Outlook is basically just the web app in a wrapper.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (29 children)

It works for me and has done so for almost 10 years.

Sure it won't work for everyone but to say it isn't viable isn't true either. It depends on the person.

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[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like most articles on itsfoss, this one is only a notch over clickbait — a kernel of an idea not fully developed, written with the last minute energy of a student who pushed off the assignment until right before deadline — but I'll be damned if that title isn't beautifully turned.

I haven't had to have Windows installed for more than a decade, but on recent occasion I've borrowed Windows and Mac computers for work. Those revisits didn't give me reason to switch back, only to long for my lean Arch install.

As the next major version of Windows approaches like a Santa down the chimney with all sorts of "AI"-infested gadgets in his sack, I do hope more will make the more often mentioned switch to a Linux distro from the ~~advertising platform~~ OS that came with their computer.

But this headline deliciously reminds us that there is already a good chunk of users who made the jump, or are sitting on the dual booting fence, one boot (sorry!) on either side. This article is for them, yes, but also a gentle nudge for those still gathering courage.

At this stage, it is time to seriously change the perspective of that switch. The single reason for switching from Windows to Linux is ... the utter state of Windows. Only the most blinkered of tech journos can continue to pretend that all is well on Windows, and not at all a sophisticated malware infection.

So bravo itsfoss for the clever barb, less so for the depth of the article itself.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I like the writing style of It's Foss. They don't make there articles dry and the tone is always positive and honest.

I think the Linux switch will heavily depend on your work flow and whether you like to tinker at all. I think It's Foss is right to say that for some Windows is not an option. People like me use a lot of Linux tools and apps.

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