2035 is so far away, it's basically just postering at this point.
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It makes a difference - corporations move and adapt slowly. They now know in 10 years, the ICE market will probably be completely dead in big chunks of the US market, and if they aren't competitive by then they'll lose a lot of market share
It's not enough to sell electric models by 2035 - they need to be established as good electric manufacturers by then. It'll push them to move the electric transition forward, either giving up on hydrogen or speeding up their plans
It's not the greatest timeframe, but it's not nothing
According to this article, some automotive companies have already stopped further research and development on ICE engines.
https://www.hotcars.com/car-companies-no-longer-investing-in-ice/
People used to say that about 2025 too
And look at how many politicians and businesses have gone back on their promises in the past decade.
Better do something than do nothing.
Just posturing is right. Why not in 5 years? Why wait til we can almost name a new generation of adults?
Probably because the more aggressive the timeline, the more willingness to fight rather than just adapt
Personally, I’d like to see more of a transition - maybe a tax that starts small and quickly scales into something crazy over the course of the decade or something else to heavily motivate early compliance
This isn’t nothing though, it’s mostly just late. Paris did something similar and is already reaping the rewards
I don't live in California, but I'm going to guess to expand the charger network more.
Funny how they care about the rights of states selectively.
I didn't see anything in the article about this, but does the regulation also ban hybrid vehicles? Just curious.
It would be a bit funny if like... Chevy bolt = cool, Chevy volt = illegal
So the state can ban the sale? Ban the usage? What exactly can they ban?
They can restrict the sale and the registration (license plate/tabs) of new gas cars within the state. Someone can still go to another state to buy one, but they can’t get a CA plate for it. And that’s on top of trying to figure it how to get insurance coverage for it.
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They can ban the sale. They can also refuse to register the car, so no license plate. You'd get in a fair amount of trouble if caught driving an unregistered vehicle.
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They're talking about new vehicles only. Used gas cars will still be available for purchase.
Most people can't afford EVs anyway. At this point, there will just be older and older gas-powered vehicles on the road.
Would love it if Musk could actually solve a fucking problem every once in a while, instead of running his mouth about the hundred other things he claims to have a solution to. Make a functional and cheap EV, no stupid bells and whistles, no gimmicks.
I know there are other car manufacturers, but they are too concerned about the bottom line. Musk effectively has more money than god. He can afford to take a loss for the greater good. He just never will.
Most people can't afford EVs anyway
Well yeah, most people buy used cars. But a used ev of a given year is likely to be in a similar price range as a comparable gas engine car. The question is, is there sufficient availability of used electric cars? From the sound of it, there will be in CA by 2035. Certainly, if everyone buying new cars is buying electric, then the number is used EVs available will skyrocket.
And either way, I'm sure this regulation is about new cars, nobody is going to stop you from buying a used 2025 civic in 2035, that's fine. I mean the car already exists, it would be environmentally negligent to replace it as long as it still runs. You just can't buy a new ice car after that.
I'm curious though, does this regulation ban hybrids?
nobody is going to stop you from buying a used 2025 civic in 2035, that's fine
This is what I meant, cars already in circulation having longer lives. I frankly don't know anything about used EVs, but plenty of people I know can list reliable gas powered cars that will run for incredibly long times with a little love. We need EVs to be manageable cars of the people that can be maintained at home on a budget and not proprietary dealerships.
It wasn't my aim to discredit the bill, only to complain that Musk is useless and will line his pockets before actually creating something that is useful for the public.
But the thing is, you'll also be able to buy a 2025 Tesla in 2035, and the price probably won't be far off from the civic. In other words, there's no problem here.
Except Honda and those Civics have established a reputation of running forever. Tesla cannot claim the same.
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PS the average new car is $47k. Please tell me how that $55k EV with the $7.5k tax rebate is expensive?
Source: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/average-new-car-price-tops-47000/
I have never in my life purchased a new car. They are too expensive. Most normal people that I know also have only ever bought a car from a used car lot. I have always considered leasing a car to be throwing away money. So, like a lot of people, I drive beaters that I can actually afford.
The $55k might be reasonable compared to the average new car, but look around you on the road. Lots of 7+ year old cars...most people can't afford $55k with or without a rebate. I know that is just the price of doing business, and nothing is likely to suddenly cost $10k. But for the average person, this just means driving their fossil fuel burning car longer until they can figure something out.
I have always considered leasing a car to be throwing away money.
I was in the market for a car back in the start of 2023. I was floored at how leases were at the same monthly cost as just financing new for the same exact car. As in, there was practically zero advantage in doing so. Why do people do this?
this just means driving their fossil fuel burning car longer until they can figure something out.
The cost of new and used are at a point where if you own your car outright, it's far cheaper to just keep it on the road. I know not everyone can afford the downtime for big repairs, and keeping $1000-2000 on hand for repairs is not easy. But it can work out to a lot less per year which is the trick. Sadly, economics got us into this mess and without some kind of intervention, they're gonna keep us here for a while.
Why do people do this?
So they can get a new car every 3 years when the lease expires.
As much as I sympathize, that doesn’t automatically mean (perceived) expensive EVs are the issue, though.
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