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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 67 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Those HR people who make the listing don't understand most of it anyway.

[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

"I'm looking fora Data Analyst"

"Gotcha, we put up an ad for Data Science"

"No, Data Analyst, that's diff-"

"Here, we already got some applicants"

"They'll be very disappointed to learn that I'm not interested in their AI skills"

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[–] Pechente@feddit.org 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

It’s also ridiculous how often I see „Java“ instead of „JavaScript“ in job listings.

Edit: Not trying to judge Java here, this is purely about recruiters not knowing the difference, posting jobs for Java devs when they need JS devs

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[–] teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world 101 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Before I graduated I was encouraged to apply for a job that required a four year degree.

Don't worry about it - we know you, they said.

When I submitted my application online it was automatically rejected because the application program correctly flagged that I didn't meet the requirement of having a four year degree.

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 73 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is when you call them directly and tell them that. They can override the automation.

[–] KreekyBonez@lemm.ee 38 points 6 days ago

and if they won't/can't, then there's an easy answer as to whether it's worth working there at all

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[–] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 87 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Why yes, I do thrive under pressure. It's why I use a weighted blanket.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 20 points 6 days ago

I’d like to be
Under the sea
In an octopus’s garden
in the shade

[–] notsure@fedia.io 87 points 1 week ago (8 children)

a friend once got me a job interview with his company. he listened into the interview, and i could hear him audibly gasp when the interviewer asked, "why do you want to work for us?". I replied plainly, "To make a living so that I may pursue my real goals." I didn't get the job...

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 64 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not technically NT but I have ADHD and I don't have problems picking up this sort of neurotypical social cues.

When I interview people myself, I'm extra wary of catering to ND people, and for questions like this, I phrase them very carefully to mean what I want to ask:

"Why do you want to work for us? I'm sure there were other jobs out there that would result in a salary, but what made you apply for this one specifically?"

I make clear in the conversation that I want to know their motivation, their alignment to the specific role, and not the fact that they need money to live. I already know that! So I tailor the questions to give me exactly what I need even if the person is, say, autistic and takes things in the most literal way.

This post has, however, made me realise that in the job posting I have open right now, I'm going to add a note in the vein of "this is a wishlist of all the things the ideal candidate would have, but we acknowledge nobody is ever a 100% perfect match - feel free to apply even if you only meet some of the criteria as you might be more qualified than most applicants".

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I have always appreciated the listings that divide the list between the "must haves," even soft ones (e.g. 4yr degree, knowledge of X tool, Y years of experience, solid communication skills), and "our ideal candidate will have most of the following" (e.g. Y+3 years of experience, prior role in management, knowledge of Z regulation).

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 55 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Yes, and then don’t provide “real” answers at the interview, make up stuff they want to hear, be friendly and create small talk with a complete stranger, act like you actually GAF about the company when all you want to do is just get a job and start working, screw all this people-interaction stuff.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

For me, getting the interview is the hard part.

I've never interviewed for a job where I didn't get the offer. I can't say exactly what works for me, but I can explain my process a bit.

First off, I go in confident. a lot of that probably had to do with my history with interviews, but that's the first part.

Secondly, I look at it as me interviewing the company. I want to know the company is right for me. To that end, I ask a lot of questions about the position and the team. I ask if they're looking to fill a hole or are willing to have the role reinvented.

Obviously, that last bit is for taking a unique role in the comment, not just as cashier number 23.

I am also clear that I'm not looking to remain in that position forever. I want to work at it a few years and move on, wither within the company or elsewhere. I won't bail in 6 months, but I also won't do the same job with no evolution for 10 years. My career needs to grow.

Essentially, I try to interview in a manner where they're trying to win me over instead of weed me out.

I'm my current job, I was relaxed, got the interviewers talking family and casually about the projects, started giving feedback on issues as if I was already on board, and essentially changed it from an interview to a group meeting.

It turns out I was asking for about 30% more than my competition, but they gave it to me anyway, and it all came down to making myself feel like a member of the team they wanted to hold onto rather than just someone looking for a paycheck.

And I'm absolutely there for the paycheck. I liked my old job a lot more, but I got like a 60% pay bump going to the new job.

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[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 22 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I don't understand why op thinks they are special for going through this workflow. Women are way less likely than men to ignore job requirements when applying for jobs and many many people have to be reminded that job requirements are fluffy. Are all these people "neurodivergent"? We seem to want to apply this term everywhere for some reason.

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think most people are like this but neurodivergent people have trouble coming to terms with breaking the rules. As in they see an incongruity between the stated rule and the way everyone behaves. What OP is talking about is textbook neurodivergence behavior though I’m sure other people experience this to some degree.

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[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago

I don't think that op thinks they're special by going through the workflow. I think op thinks that the workflow lands differently on them because of their condition. I think op thinks that it's related to their condition because no one else seems to be complaining about this and so maybe neurotypicals aren't as bothered by this.

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[–] Hazzard@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It's not lying as much as it's advertising. If they're asking about your greatest weakness, tell them. Just don't neglect to mention how you mitigate that weakness too, and are improving. Don't let your answer end on "I'm a disorganized mess", end it on "so in the last year, I've started building and using checklists and it's been really effective".

In the same way, be up front if they ask about the criteria you don't meet. But consider your entire answer, again, you can say something like "I actually haven't worked in that language before, but I've done lots of work in Python and Java, so I'm confident I can pick it up quickly as needed". If they don't ask, then it probably wasn't really that important of a criteria to them, so you shouldn't waste your interview time talking about it either.

Don't volunteer all your worst traits, you only have an hour, so focus on describing your strengths as often as you can. Nobody expects to completely understand you as a person in one hour, they're specifically asking you to come in and advertise yourself. Instead, read between the lines in the listing (I.E. Things mentioned in the job description or title are likely more important than something in a single bullet point. Look for repetition, or how much they talk about each requirement.). Figure out what the "customer" wants that you're good at, and ensure you emphasize it, repeatedly. Define clear takeaways and make sure they know what you're offering, and will actually remember it too.

And practice your answers to many questions. Come up with your best anecdotes for "a time you resolved a conflict with a coworker" and all that nonsense in advance, so that you can confidently segue into those stories that best emphasize your takeaways when asked. Do some research on the company to come up with a good answer to questions like "why do you want to work here?". The answer doesn't have to be your top priority, which is obviously "a paycheque", but just append an unsaid "instead of somewhere else" and answer honestly, because people are good at detecting insincerity. You likely haven't applied to every company on earth, so tell them why you chose them.

Lastly, like an advertiser, don't be afraid to segue from other questions into your prepared answers. "Yeah, I've always loved X, that's why I wanted to work here actually, I'd heard a bit about how you were getting involved with X, but with this interesting twist, and thought that sounded like something I'd really enjoy working on". The interview questions are designed to get you talking about yourself, it's not a survey where the strict questions are all that matter, and you can simply joke about it if the question comes up later.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I have a stable job that I like.

Sometimes I think I should go to interviews just to make recruiters feel insecure, "your business is not up to my expectations" "what do you mean you don't provide flexible remote working?" "Your paycheck is just too small for me, sorry".

I would get a laugh of of it and probably would help some fella by lowering this fuckers ego.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I do this all the time. Keeps my interview skills sharp. Plus you never know when somewhere will wind up making you an insane offer.

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[–] kshade@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

That whole routine doesn't magically make sense to neurotypical people either.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As an autistic person I relate to this so hard it isn't funny.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 18 points 5 days ago

As a non-autistic person, it's also incredibly annoying. Job hunting has always been a really stupid system with lots of really stupid rules of thumbs.

[–] LastoftheDinosaurs@walledgarden.xyz 39 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Half of the requirements listed aren't even actual requirements; they're just listing their tech stack. For example, if I see NodeJS, I know I'll be deploying web apps, not coding them. I don't even read the requirements most of the time. If the title matches and there's no security clearance required, I'm applying.

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[–] ChildeHarold@lemm.ee 10 points 5 days ago

I took a job as a medical assistant. I was not certified. It was during COVID, and the manager was woefully understaffed. I had zero experience or training. They still hired me, because in her words "we can teach you everything you need to know, and your resume demonstrated you were a good learner so that's all that matters." (I had taught myself Chinese and coding, and put that on the resume).

I worked my butt off, and after two years when I had to leave to go back to school they offered me a massive raise, more training to get me a promotion as an actual technician to start making 80k/year, and they even said when I finished grad school I could be taken on as a partner and own the business (it was a small clinic). They wanted to do anything to get me to stay.

All these companies these days care too much about certs. They don't know how to hire. They should look for resume's that demonstrate learning, initiative, responsibility, and commitment. Because at the end of the day: almost anyone can learn any job that isn't a PhD-level.

Like, having managers be required to have a college degree is moronic.

[–] SeanBrently@lemm.ee 27 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I think of myself as a neutodivergent person but I am annoyed by neurodivergent people who act like everything is binary yes/no black/white full volume/absolute silence. Like, everyone in the world knows that the gas pedal in the car is not an on/off switch and believe it or not but other things in life are like that.

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[–] Trashcan@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

A lot og questions can be answered diplomatically and show that you are able to handle yourself:

Q: do you like the colour red?

A1: I hate red

A2: I don't like red

A3: Not my favourite colour

A4: I prefer blue

In this entirely made up and pointless exercise you hate red and are asked if you like it. Real world applications converging on zero.

On a scale of lie to truth, where are you comfortable with representing your thoughts of red in an interview?

And remember, only Sith deals in absolutes🙃

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Even if you don't qualify, job hunting is just throwing your resume to the wall and see what sticks. You got nothing to lose by applying.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You got nothing to lose by applying.

Nothing to lose but your sanity.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

and self esteem when a CV scanning AI sends you an automated rejection e-mail how you're not qualified to work a job that specifically has "no qualifications or experience needed!" written in the listing

logic knows it's bullshit, but man, it still stings to read

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[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't consider myself neurodivergent but I do consider this issue one of the greatest barriers with my finding employment. I was raised to despise lying, and enough bad experiences have made me consider 'massaging the truth' to be the exact same thing.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 12 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It's because they're actually lying about the criteria, its more like a wish list than actual requirements. In the interview just say oh I only know a little about criteria x but I'm keen to learn or whatever

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

I dont know why they do it and I dont care to find out. I just know I apply even if I dont match the complete criteria. If I tick off 60-70% of what they want, I'll apply. We are people, not machines. If something doesnt match but is close to it, we try and make it work. This is how the real world works. There are multiple factors at play and they can work in your favour.

I got my first job which required a college degree and some experience. I had personal (non-professional) experience and no degree. Showed an interest in the work they did, told them I work on my own things from time to time and got hired. What probably worked in my favor was a lack of other applicants showing the same degree of interest. I even told them I'd graduate in a year and we made it a requirement. Never got my degree and worked there for 7 years. No lying, some luck and showing an interest. Same strategy worked two more times (out of two), 1st interview and "wanna come work for us?". Its easier the second time since experience is built up already. And im not some extroverted silver tongued devil or anything. The right interviewer at the right time.

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