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I mean... I come from the forum scene and they were always called PMs, as in Private Message. What in the hell does DM stand for and when did things change from people calling them PMs to DMs.

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[–] match@pawb.social 101 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Twitter used Direct Message instead of Private Message because they needed to establish that there is legally no understanding of privacy for DMs, because Twitter will surrender the contents of DMs to law enforcement / government / data collection. Fediverse should also use DM because there is again no guarantee of privacy (and you do not expect there to be).

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

As if admins of the older forum softwares couldn't just query the database for anyone's private messages.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Didn’t they also switch the wording from “data protection” to “data usage”?

[–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.rollenspiel.monster 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Still, the conversation is private, as in not public. Even if it is surrendered to the authorities, the'll probably never be released publicly (unless leaked).

[–] LiesSlander@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I suppose it's a slightly more accurate term. The messages here are not truly private since they are not encrypted, but since they are sent directly no one should read them in the normal course of using the platform. Calling them private might imply to people that other people cannot read them, rather than the reality that it is just very unlikely anyone will. I would also argue that if something is released to an authority it is not "private" even if it is not publicly available.

Honestly, it doesn't really matter which you use. People will generally understand either way, so you can go ahead and keep saying PM and others will say DM and we can all just understand that they mean the same thing.

[–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.rollenspiel.monster 1 points 11 months ago

I ran into a person the other day, I wrote "I'll PM you" and he replied "What is PM 🤨" 🤷. They may be young or just a late internet adopter, but still, that was just a sign for me that I should probably adopt the new DM lingo, as some people just don't understand what I'm talking about.

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[–] xebix@lemmy.srv0.lol 52 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think Twitter might have been the first time I saw DM used but it stands for direct message.

[–] Moohamin12@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Twitter is where it started.

And every 'hip' person started talking about sliding into someone's DM and it became the default application.

PM is still used in professional settings sometimes.

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[–] fattydrago@sh.itjust.works 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

DM is direct message and seems to have started around the same time things culturally shifted away from forums and boards more toward social media.

[–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.rollenspiel.monster 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

And now people don't even understand me, like I wrote "I'll PM you" and they said "What 🤨" 🤦.

Guess I'll have to shift from using PM to DM... though it seems completely illogical to me, but hey, that's life I guess.

[–] Oka@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"I'll Prime Minister you"

"I'll prime meridian you"

"I'll post mortem you"

"I'll prima dona you"

"I'll Pringle Mingle you"

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.de 8 points 11 months ago

Gonna steal "pringle mingle", sounds like a great insult lol

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

"I'll dungeon master you"

"I'll deathmatch you"

That last one was probably used at some point in time though..

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.de 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I somehow never realized it was a shift from forums. I've used both terms interchangeably with a bias towards DM. TIL

[–] Oka@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Same, but prefer PM. We both know what we mean :p

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

Yup, and that's what matters

[–] ekky43@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'll be you Dungeon Master any day ~~<3

Playing Tuesdays and Thursdays, bring a barbarian or fighter.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

when did things change from people calling them PMs to DMs.

I don't think I've ever heard it called a "Pungeon Master"

[–] Navarian@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago

You, are a pun-geon master.

[–] lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca 32 points 11 months ago

PM means private message. Nothing on Facebook or Twitter ever suggested that personal messages were private, so they used direct message instead to make sure there was no legal confusion.

[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 21 points 11 months ago

I assume it's direct message. I also come from the forum scene and grew up with PMs. The cynic in me says maybe the big social media companies are shy of using the "private" word when their business model revolves around exploiting user data. Alternatively it's just language evolving over time.

[–] daddyrat@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

“Direct Message” , from Twitter.

[–] unwinagainstable@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

DM stands for Dungeon Master, the person who makes up the story in the game Dungeons and Dragons

[–] Imgonnatrythis@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

More like Dork Moron! Now give me your lunch money.

[–] ctobrien84@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

DM means Dungeon Master to me, so I go with PM, if I don't just say message.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I prefer the terms DM, especially if the messaging system doesn't rely on E2EE. If the server admins can read it, then it's not private.

[–] 0x4E4F@lemmy.rollenspiel.monster 1 points 11 months ago

Well, yes that is true, but still, it's not public either.

I might have to change my lingo to using DM instead of PM cuz some people don't actually know what I'm talking about.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because of the phrase 'slide into the DMs'. I tried to 'slide into the PM' but the Prime Minister wasn't having any of that

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Direct Message.

I've only really seen "DM" used this way with Twitter, so I have to assume that's what Twitter calls private messages.

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[–] coolfission@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

DM/PM/IM all mean the same thing

[–] spdrmx@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago

Direct message, I think it mainly comes from twitter where you could add a "d" before someone’s @ to message them, maybe the use of "direct" instead of "private" was to avoir the confusion with private accounts?

[–] SandmanXC@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's what some people call a /whisper

[–] unagi@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just think of the P in PM as a D, but with a tiiiiiiny vertical line going down from the bottom left so it’s a P.

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