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[โ€“] HowRu68@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not getting any safer lately.

Hope that NATO & allies , but especially Europe, comes up with a good plan these days during the talks.

[โ€“] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Personally, i think the only good plan is if they send in some black ops (or whatever they're called) and "remove" some of the Russian government. Especially its head of state.

But thats just my humble opinion.

[โ€“] xploit@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That would be interesting, but more likely outcome is; "weeelll we drew this line in the sand, why don't we just draw it a little further back. And then we wait and see what happens". Pretty sad of you ask me

[โ€“] neshura 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

don't know where I read it but a commenter left this glorious piece in one of the discussions about this entire thing: "The russians will be marching into Berlin while NATO is considering whether invoking article 5 would be seen as too much of an escalation"

I can't with our politicians anymore. Apeasement has not worked in the past and it should by now be clear to everyone involved that it currently is not working either

[โ€“] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 12 points 2 weeks ago

If rockets were falling on cities in Texas, killing people by the thousands, month after month, it would be a priority.

Somehow, because it's Ukrainians dying, it's important to carefully gauge how much we want to fight back, because we wouldn't want to make anyone upset. And we have other things to worry about. If the burglar was in our house, though, beating our family to death, it would be different.

[โ€“] xploit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Sounds about right.
And thinking about it, sure you can't expect them to reveal whether they are doing anything in return, if it's secret/covert. But since we haven't really heard of anything that had negative impact happening in years, it's more likely that fuck all is being done.

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[โ€“] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Europe needs to take care of this now. Have they forgotten about the last time someone tried to take over Europe?

[โ€“] neshura 7 points 2 weeks ago

Apparently, yes

[โ€“] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

Western leaders have convened in an emergency meeting, debating on whether to send a strongly worded letter to Russia.

Cowards. Like 1-2% of NATO is enough to defeat Russia. JUST DO IT ALREADY. Ukraine has suffered for far too long.

[โ€“] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's Russian for "we surrender."