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For example, let’s say Bernie Sanders was the nominee in 2024 against Trump. A lot of people on the internet seem to like him, even some conservatives. But would liberals fall in line and vote for him enough to beat Trump?

Bernie’s supporters always seem to attack the Democrats liberal base, do you think they’d sit home if Bernie or any leftist was the nominee.

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[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Let me put it this way... Here's the 2020 DNC primary donations:

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know when conservatives post pictures of counties being all one color thus showing significant voting support most people speak up about how land doesn't vote and explain why those maps are kind of useless. Just food for thought.

[–] PmMeFrogMemes@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

my thought immediately when seeing this. interesting to see the geographic spread but misleading to frame it as more area = more popular

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is not colorblind friendly at all.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yeah, that's terrible color choice (I'm assuming, anyway, since Pete and sanders are presumably meant to be different colors)

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It also lacks a key

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[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 month ago

man where's yang

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The DNC will never let a leftist get past the primaries. They'd sooner lose, as they've shown us for the last 3 elections.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A lot of people don't know the difference between establishment Democrats and liberals.

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[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 45 points 1 month ago (3 children)

No. And they've said as much.

"Clinton would not pledge to support Sanders if he won the 2020 Democratic nomination."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-sen-bernie-sanders-likes/story?id=68424746

“However – I do reject socialism as a economic system. If people have that view, that’s their view. That is not the view of the Democratic Party.” - Pelosi

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/nancy-pelosi-socialism/index.html

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's so sad to see this, especially knowing that while you can like or dislike Clinton and Pelosi, I doubt they are unware that Sanders is not proposing socialism. Socialism and social democracy are two very, vastly different things. And they for sure know this very well.

I sincerely hope that Sanders will found a new party soon, it will have 4 years to gain momentum. Will it win in the next election cycle? No, but it might actually get enough votes to win in 8 or 12 years. Just do it.

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[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how much these endorsements actually matter... Lord knows Liz Cheney's endorsing Kamala didn't tip the scales.

Would establishment libs support a leftist? Maybe not. But that doesn't mean that voters would necessarily follow suit.

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[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

We know the answer to that from how Bernie was treated

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No. Liberals have always been closer to fascists than socialists. Look which way liberals in Weimar Germany went.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (8 children)

The word "liberals" means something else in Germany than in the US. The closes analogy would be Democrats=SPD and Republicans=CDU, which are the two biggest parties. When Hitler took over, the CDU fell in line while the SPD resisted. The SPD then was also a lot more leftist than it is now. It's pretty much centrist now and only slightly more to the left than the conservative CDU.

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Liberals already tried to get Bernie on the ticket in 2016, but the DNC fucked us on that.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think Liberals kept him off the ticket.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Liberal voters wanted Bernie. The DNC did not.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People are using liberal in two different ways here. Most Americans call anything to the left of Republican liberal. Most of Lemmy considers liberal to be center-right and leftist to be Bernie style liberal.

In this case, they were saying that the Democratic elites (liberals) didn’t want Bernie to win, while the true progressive left (leftists) did.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

Thanks for explaining to dude. It's so frustrating talking about anything with politics here in the US. A big part of that is we don't have shared definitions of what terms mean. That's not even taking account of the just pure, willful ignorance of a good percentage of the population.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I think democrats would, for the most part. Perhaps less enthusiastically, but since they hate Trump, I think it would not be a major issue.

The question is, how would low-information unaffiliated voters respond to having a socialist in the ballot? This is a difficult question to answer. Traditionally socialism is a bad word in US politics, albeit less so with younger voters.

Personally I don’t really buy the “Bernie would have won” stuff but there’s really only one way to find out.

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[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Assuming Bernie could get on the ticket, I absolutely believe people would have voted for him.

The problem is of course getting him on the ticket.

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[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I sincerely have no idea.

The narrative that a leftist couldn't win is repeated so predictably and so often and by so many people that the whole idea has become sort of detached from reality, and there's no telling what would happen if it was actually a possibility.

And particularly since the one thing I'd pretty much guarantee is that the concerted efforts on the part of the ruling class to prevent a leftist from running would be as nothing compared to what they'd do and say in order to prevent one from winning.

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[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

No. They would be morons and vote against socialism even if it's good for them.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 18 points 1 month ago

Most people have no idea a leftist isn't just a weirdo way of saying liberal

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the haters, the racists, the sexists, the homophobes, the gun fondlers, the diesel fume huffers, and the bible thumpers vote repulbican every. single. time.

too many democrats jump ship and stay home, vote for the no chance party, or republican if a candidate doesn't support every little policy and issue they want or who supports something they don't. even if the fate of the nation and democracy is at stake, they'll abandon reason.

[–] Zacpod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yup. Idiots incapable of compromise, so they get nothing.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, but that's keeping in mind that, contrary to popular belief among the types that go on Lemmy, most people aren't ideological. They don't care that Democrat A is this and Democrat B is that, they care about who they think will help their lives, ideology be damned. So, a lot of the people that socialists would call "libs" would vote for Bernie, BUT, most of those people think of Sanders primarily as "more liberal."

People who are actively aware of the difference between neoliberalism and social democracy, I'm not sure. But I honestly think they're a rounding error in US politics.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago

Socialists are very, very aware that the oppressed masses of people that don't know what words mean love socialist policies when they don't know they're socialist.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I don’t know, we should do this and find out.

[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 month ago

Nobody agrees on what those words mean so it's a confusing question. Clearly he would have had a better chance of winning.

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Would liberals support him? Sure.

Would liberals support her? No.

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No. When you leave social media echo chambers like Lemmy, you hear liberals and others right of center talking about how Kamala was too liberal.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That's just the dishonest pundets though.. and the people ratcheting the Dems right. Kamala ran on a Y2K republican program and got annihilated because Y2K republicans are now maga and there are no moderate republicans.

They totally would, until they disagreed with a single one of his policies.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 month ago

Sanders? Probably.

Someone else? Depends on their policies and what you mean by "liberals". If you mean general center-left / Democrat base types, probably they vote for the DNC nominee. If you mean people devoted to Enlightenment Liberalism, it depends on how authoritarian the the candidate is.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I think it's fair to say that ~80% of voters will just follow whatever their party's media outlets say they should vote for. If a proper leftist and actually got the DNC nomination, I don't think many classic liberals would think twice about voting for them.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, they'd side with the corporations cause they luv them

[–] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes. Democrats voted for Obama in 2008 and he presented himself as more progressive than Hilary.

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