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[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 160 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If this goes live, I'm out. YT premium is my most expensive subscription, but I watch enough YouTube that I'm OK with it, especially considering that it supports creators more than ad viewers. If I still get ads? Nah dawg. I'll divy up that money amongst patreons or whatever, and install add blockers.

[–] drake@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

If your main reason for paying premium is for ad blocking, I’d suggest just cancelling it now and using ad blockers. If you want to support creators, I’d say that it’s better to cancel and subscribe to a few patreons - I’d pick some of the smaller creators you like, to spread some of that support around a bit.

If you use iOS devices for watching YouTube, look into side-loading uYou+, it’s basically an edited YouTube app that removes most of the ads. You can stream from your phone to the apple TV, too, also without ads.

Not sure what the android equivalent is, but someone else will know - hopefully they will share in the comments also.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why don’t you just cancel it now and use ad blockers?

Joel explains this in the second sentence: "I’m OK with it, especially considering that it supports creators more than ad viewers"

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[–] Sprucie@feddit.uk 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ReVanced is great on Android, it also enables other YouTube premium features such as picture-in-picure mode.

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[–] puntyyoke@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reasonable advice, but I'd note that I pay for premium and patreon specifically because I can only afford patreon for a few creators. I'd rather pay everyone I watch. While YouTube isn't perfect, I like the service enough that I don't mind paying for it.

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[–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 147 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I guess they are premium ads?

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 79 points 1 month ago (2 children)

this but unironically

advertisers paid a premium

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ad companies have the new subscription tier of Premium Buster, so now you have to upgrade to Premium Buster Buster

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[–] Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 132 points 1 month ago (9 children)

u/Dangerous-Pizza7054 from the article,

Seems like the user tracking "special promotion" overrides the premium. They don't even say whether it's expected or not. But my take away is that paying for premium may or may not show you ads, but you are definitely tracked and harvested for data. (Maybe even more so, since, well, you are more valuable to them.)

[–] mlen@awful.systems 35 points 1 month ago

ublock is cheaper and actually works

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So premium users put their data on a pedestal for Google? That's fun

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

That's generally; if you have an account, you are easier to track for them.

[–] ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I got the same Sunday banner in the middle of the screen similar to where shorts show up. Never in my life have I watched or cared for American football. Clearly a waste of money for the advertising company since I just closed it by pressing the x same as shorts on desktop.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Well yes, you didn't get first ads. But what about second ads?

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

That has been my specific issue with paying for any Google product always. I understand when I am using a product for free that I am not necessarily the customer and that money has to be made off of me or the users more generally somehow. That's "fine" (ish, not really, but that has more to do with issues of security than anything).

However when I pay for a product or service, I want to now be the customer and I want to be in control of my data and have the company cater to me. If, when paying for a Google service, there was some legally relevant things in place that insured I was no longer being tracked and used to generate revenue via third parties I would gladly pay. Probably more than they are charging now, but instead they want to have it both ways which is just not OK with me.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At least a subscription includes YouTube music? Isn't that interesting and relevant.

[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

That part of the support email almost made me puke of how fucking awful it was. "Why complain about ads when you get YouTube Music for free by paying us money"

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 64 points 1 month ago (7 children)

What ads? (User without premium, but proper browser and adblocker)

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Firebox mobile + unlock origin extension + YouTube.com.

You get everything that YouTube premium can offer. Including screen off play.

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[–] lychee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

whos gonna prosecute any of this shit now

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 month ago

Oh they will prosecute! They will prosecute people with adblocks and alternative clients.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd bet that channel "members" don't get ads for that channel regardless of premium status.

IMO, Google made premium, almost nobody bought it. So they went after adblockers, hoping that people would get premium to get rid of the ads. People most just Adblock harder.

While this is happening, one exec is peering over the fence at twitch. Where they only way to get away from ads without a pretty good Adblock, is to subscribe to the individual creator.

So they make "memberships" to channels a thing.

Almost nobody buys that either. So they go... What if, even if someone is premium, we give them ads, unless they're a channel member.

Genius.

Paying to block ads per creator/channel/whatever, is a special level of bullshit that twitch has always had.

The system is working as expected. The companies are trying to find the best way to extract the most value from you using their platform.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People are buying memberships though?

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is all conjecture right?

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The second i see an ad in cancelling my subscription

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago
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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago
[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is why I stopped paying them. Fuck them, you're just an source of income to them.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah, what kind of relationship did you expect?
They're not running youtube for the good of their heart

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Lol godamnit I just found out YouTube is a business, you're getting downvoted!

[–] lychee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago

Side loading works great for this and it's free

[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago
[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I use New Pipe for android and Freetube for desktop. I have all the YouTube premium features at $0 cost and no ads hehe

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[–] YogurtDoes@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Yeah I stopped paying for premium once I’d figured out using Safari on my phone with an ad blocker works with YouTube still lol

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

I use Firefox with ublock on my phone and I get no ads. Or I watch them in Newpipe.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 month ago

It is just YT testing new exciting features, nothing to worry about.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Don't worry, simply pay for Youtube Premium+ to get rid of ads on Premium!

[–] Drathro@dormi.zone 13 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Grayjay on Android has been working damn near flawlessly for me. No clue if the parent company is to be trusted at this point or not- but I cannot argue with the results.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 8 points 1 month ago

I much prefer Newpipe, which has been amazing so far.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One of my biggest issues with the ads is that they're mostly scams. I just get ads for shit I know isn't real

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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

This is normal, nothing to see here... except these wonderful ads!! - YouTube

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Hi, would you like to try Youtube Premium PLATINUM for only another $2.99? It's EVEN MORE ad-free! We mean it!

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A/b testing or code error?

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 month ago

With Alphabet, I treat anything related to delivering more ads as intentional.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 7 points 1 month ago

Suckers paying for it

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Good, I hope they raise pricing too and pay creators even less. Make it hurt. It's the only language users understand apparently.

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