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Reposted from c/politics since it violated their rule about needing to have a link:

Now that the fascists have taken over, what books, academic studies, and pieces of knowledge should take priority in personal/private archival? I'm thinking about what happened in Nazi Germany, especially with the burning of the Institute for Sexual Science(Institut für Sexualwissenschaft) and what was lost completely in the burnings.

Some of us should consider saving stuff digitally or physically. Redundancies will help preserve stuff.

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[–] simple@lemm.ee 115 points 6 days ago (4 children)

If you'd like to support archival in general, consider donating to https://archive.org/ . They regularly archive books and media that can be potentially banned. It doesn't hurt to download parts of the archive on your machine if you want to be extra sure, but keep in mind the internet archive is massive with petabytes of data.

[–] hollyberries@programming.dev 96 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Archive is on American soil. They got sued for lending ebooks during the pandemic and lost, so they are not a safe bet. Archive elsewhere. Anywhere else.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 31 points 6 days ago (6 children)

They really should relocate to Europe.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 27 points 6 days ago (13 children)

Fuck, are we really becoming the last beacon of freedom and liberty?

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

One of the few left.

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[–] olsonexi@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why can't humanity seem to learn that storing all of our knowledge and cultural artifacts in just one place with no backup is a BAD IDEA? Don't let the library of Alexandria burn again!

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Shit, now I'm doubly worried about Archive staying online.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As @hollyberries pointed out, archive's servers are on American soil, if there's a federal ban on improper("fake") knowledge, their assets could easily be seized. No laws would have to change from today for them to do this, they'd just have to think up a somewhat reasonable excuse...

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Probably they'd use obscenity laws. Or they might bring lawsuit after lawsuit, dmca after dmca, until it drains them of their funds.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago

The possibilities are endless.

I gotta get offline now. This morning hasn't been too great for my mental health.

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[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

And also good to keep in mind is that digital storage is volatile. Yes it's impractical to have a few terabytes printed out, but if stored properly, it'll last longer than digital media storage.

Another thing to consider:
If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Another thing to consider: If things go full on crazy, like they seem likely to do, being in possession of improper knowledge could be a capital offence when the thought police come knocking.

Ehhh, fuck fascists. They can't get all of us if a bunch of us do this.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's all hypothetical for now. But with control of the house and senate, there's not a single thing actually stopping them as long as the rank and file of the GOP stay in line and push everything through. Hopefully there's enough liberal and further left inclined "Well organised militias" to fight back against anything super fashy....

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[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Good argument for encryption and servers within a privacy respecting country

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Digital data stored right is extremely non-volatile - but it takes an effort to do so,but the same goes for printing out terabytes.

And digital data can be hidden far easier.

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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Somebody needs to fix IPFS so we can archive all that shit and share in hosting a chunk.

[–] scratch@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Download and save the evidence of their crimes before they have a chance to erase them. This includes the January 6th report, the evidence that Jack Smith has collected if it becomes publicly available, Trump's recorded deposition in the E Jean Carroll case, etc...

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 53 points 6 days ago (10 children)

With the internet as it is it's extremely unlikely we'll see an information purge like nazi Germany. We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

We should probably assume most things are hosted in the states and have ron desantis coming for them.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Hopefully they don't go all "Great Firewall of the US" on us.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

We might see censorship and destruction of art but information will survive internationally.

As well as imprisoning of people spreading information and making art that the regime doesn't like.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

Depends on who's in charge. 50%+ of the internet seems to be hosted by amazon and musk rules his little fiefdom. The call to be proactive isn't unreasonable.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 11 points 4 days ago

Apparently porn based on all the bans in the south.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago (4 children)

For a while now I've wanted to start a project of shit politicians say. Video as much as possible. Every shitty immoral reprehensible thing that they come out and say and do logged into a searchable archive. Make it super easy for regular people to stitch together anti-political ads using the politicians own words with context.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 50 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Why? More than 50% of US voters just elected a convicted felon and rapist. Using the politicians' utterances against them is not going to do anything.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's not for now, it's for our kids, or their kids, assuming we get some morals in a couple of generations.

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[–] AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Seriously! I just dont understand how so many people can just overlook this. Honestly they have openly approved it all. They never again have a right to expect justice for themselves, because they approved rampant criminal behavior in about the most formal way.

This is truly sickening. Clearly he can get away with anything just as he has always known. I just cannot figure it out. How can people do this? It truly makes me sure our species stands no chance.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

I have to believe in a future where people look back on this from a world with less hatred in it than it currently has. I want to give the perpetrators of hate as little plausible deniability as possible.

I have to believe that even though looking back on history didn't seem to help us avoid this situation, that there will be people in the future who are wiser and empowered to make better choices for them and their communities.

It's a fantasy, and I honestly don't care if it's unrealistic. It's what I need to believe to keep going. I need to believe there can be something better after this, regardless of whether I'll get to experience it.

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[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

Best time to start this was before. But 2nd best time is now!

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Samesies.....

It's very difficult though, sourcing material is difficult enough, archiving and making it actually useful and valuable even moreso. It takes a lot of intelligent processing.

LLMs can reduce that effort a lot, on the searching side, but that's very expensive either in hardware or in API costs. And either way, would likely involve the efforts of a team to achieve.

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[–] PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That would be awesome, I wish that had existed a few months ago.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

I don't think it would have mattered starting a few months ago he was very open with everything that he did and said. But media like that has a tendency to get buried over time and I want my kids and their kids to know exactly what the f*** happened

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The fascist, directly into cold storage and left to bit-rot.

Joking aside, history. If you really think the internet will not be a thing yet want to survive: water purification. farming, water management, plant guides, waste technology (your bodily excretions have a lot of uses (from laundry to fertilizer) but also a number of risks), medicine, forestry, jointery, metalworking, mining, animal husbsnwdry, skinning, hunting, numeracy, literacy, leadership, etc. in roughly that order

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Honestly, everything. Any TV show, movie, documentary, book, or hell even porn that could be deemed as valuable or important in any way as I could see any one of these things becoming outlawed with such a regime. Hell, Canada's new prime minister (99% chance to win in the next election apparently) is going to try for putting porn behind digital IDs (despite claiming to be against digital IDs before if I remember correctly) which is just going to be a privacy nightmare unfortunately, I'm already having to stockpile porn because of this ridiculous bullshit. We are truly in a doomed timeline.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

$ changed his mind, just like musky boi. all of a sudden he's a bible thumper? fuck outta here,he's expanding the grift.

and apparently the bible thumpers like rape, sexual assault, child molestation enough to elect a racist 34x felon who has done all of the above. blows my damn mind.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

I'm going to do a shameful plug here, but I have made a sharing protocol & implementation that can be used to store data safely and also to safely share this data.

It's called Tenfingers

It's working but it is still in its infancy, so any help would be greatly appreciated.

Please do say what you think about it!

Lets keep the morale!

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Archive their heads like how the French did it. Guillotine is in the history for a reason

[–] philpo@feddit.org 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You can easily keep Wikipedia around - burn it on archive BDs(M-Disc), they are easily hidden, can take the whole Wikipedia in one disk and basic information is extremely valuable in an oppressive regime. Then do the same for a collection of E-Books based on what is most likely to be banned/what the right wing does take the biggest offence on. And what aids you the most in either getting out or resist.

Using archive BDs(M-Discs) is important as regular storage devices can easily be detected due to their metallic contents and they degrade within years. M-Discs are far more resilient and can be almost as easily hidden.

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

WTF is a BDSM disc? Some kind of kink thing?

[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 6 points 5 days ago

There was a similar question at another community. I'll verbatim my reply:

As a syncretic Luciferian currently, I’d say esoteric and occult books/grimoires as well. Everything that’s deemed “demonic” by christianity should be safely archived.

There are many, many authors and books that hold importance for esoteric and occult studies and practices.

An example that comes to mind are the books written by Anton LaVey, especially the The Satanic Bible. As he was american, so are his books’ first copies from, so a greater risk of those copies being seized or something.

While this risk wouldn’t be the same for all corpora written by Aleister Crowley, as he was English so the first copies aren’t at american soil (if I guessed correctly), I’m not sure how far a christotyrannical regime would go for “serving God’s will”.

So, in summary, I’d say everything should be archived. Both physically and digitally. It’s worth mentioning how Internet Archive is being attacked: the Internet Archive holds many digital copies of important esoteric and occult knowledge as well. If Internet Archive goes permanently down, it’d ripple to other sites such as sacred-texts.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Pack everything and leave

In reality we (the internet people) still have the stuff.

[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

To where, exactly?

No snark, I'm genuinely interested.

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