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[–] menemen@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It will probably burst, but that does not man that AI will go away completly.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 6 days ago

Same thing happened to the Dot Com bubble. The fundamental technology has valid uses, but we're in the stage where some people are convinced it can be used for literally anything.

[–] ugjka@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

It will burst because no one is going to pay subscription fee for every AI gizmo every app puts in your phone. The way they make any money now is just funneling more and more vc money in exchange of AGI promise (coming soon)

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Eh... "Robin Li says increased accuracy is one of the largest improvements we've seen in Artificial Intelligence. "I think over the past 18 months, that problem has pretty much been solved—meaning when you talk to a chatbot, a frontier model-based chatbot, you can basically trust the answer," the CEO added."

That's plain wrong. Even STOA black box chatbots give wrong answer to the simplest of questions sometimes. That's precisely what NOT being able to trust mean.

How can one believe anything this person is saying?

[–] Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

To trust a computer it has to be correct 100% of the time, because it can't say "I don't know".

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago
[–] poo@lemmy.world 234 points 1 week ago (9 children)

No bubble has deserved to pop as much as AI deserves to

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 178 points 1 week ago (23 children)

Blockchain and crypto were worse. „AI” has some actual use even if it’s way overblown.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Creating a specialized neural net to perform a specific function is cool. Slapping GPT into customer support because you like money is horse shit and I hope your company collapses. But yeah you're right. Blockchain was a solution with basically no problems to fix. Neural nets are a tool that can do a ton of things, but everyone is content to use them as a hammer.

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 37 points 1 week ago

Yes! "AI" defined as only LLMs and the party trick applications is a bubble. AI in general has been around for decades and will only continue to grow.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Crypto has a legitimate value, you can buy drugs with it.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm glad you didn't say NFTs because my Bored Ape will regain and triple its value any day now!

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As a major locally-hosted AI proponent, aka a kind of AI fan, absolutely. I'd wager it's even worse than crypto, and I hate crypto.

What I'm kinda hoping happens is that bitnet takes off in the next few months/years, and that running a very smart model on a phone or desktop takes milliwatts... Who's gonna buy into Sam Altman $7 trillion cloud scheme to burn the Earth when anyone can run models offline on their phones, instead of hitting APIs running on multi-kilowatt servers?

And ironically it may be a Chinese company like Alibaba that pops the bubble, lol.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If bitnet takes off, that’s very good news for everyone.

The problem isn’t AI, it’s AI that’s so intensive to host that only corporations with big datacenters can do it.

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[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

I am old enough to remember when the CEO of Nortel Networks got crucified by Wall Street for saying in a press conference that the telecom/internet/carrier boom was a bubble, and the fundamentals weren't there (who is going to pay for long distance anymore when calls are free over the internet? where are the carriers-- Nortel's customers-- going to get their income from?). And 4 years later Nortel ceased to exist. Cisco crashed too, though had enough TCP/IP router biz and enterprise sales to keep them alive even until today.

This all reminds me of the late 1990s internet bubble rather than the more recent crypto bubble. We'll all still be using ML models for all kinds of things more or less forever from now on, but it won't be this idiotic hype cycle and overvaluation anymore after the crash.

Shit, crypto isn't going anywhere either, it's a permanent fixture now, Wall Street bought into it and you can buy crypto ETFs from your stockbroker. We just don't have to listen to hype about it anymore.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Crypto is still just as awful as it ever was IMO. Still plenty of assholes ~~gambling~~ investing in crypto.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 61 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Always invest in the spades never the gold mine

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I went to a AI conference and you can just sense how bogus it all feels. Like "Our patent pending AI system references billions of crowd-sourced data points to identify what you are craving for breakfast! Never think about breakfast again!"

And as a engineer speaking with other engineers, we all collectively shrug and just keep taking the money. I'll AI your toaster for enough money IDGAF.

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That's why Nvidia is making bank right now

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[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 51 points 1 week ago

No shit.

Like all new technologies, there is a time when bunches of companies jump on the band wagon to get in on the action. You can see it all throughout the history of the industrial revolution.

They mostly know that there will come a great weeding out of those that can't handle the technology or just fail from poor management. But they are betting they will be among the 1% that wins the race and remain to dominate the market.

The rest will just bide their time until the next Big Thing comes along. And the process starts over again.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, but thanks to the glory of corporateworld, all the people involved in making these decisions will be in a higher position at a different company by the time the consequences come knocking.

You definitely will not regret spending billions of dollars on GPUs and electricity bills.

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[–] GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (35 children)

Maybe it's like the dotcom bubble: there is genuinely useful tech that has recently emerged, but too many companies are trying to jump on the bandwagon.

LLMs do seem genuinely useful to me, but of course they have limitations.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (25 children)

10 to 30? Yeah I think it might be a lot longer than that.

Somehow everyone keeps glossing over the fact that you have to have enormous amounts of highly curated data to feed the trainer in order to develop a model.

Curating data for general purposes is incredibly difficult. The big medical research universities have been working on it for at least a decade, and the tools they have developed, while cool, are only useful as tools too a doctor that has learned how to use them. They can speed diagnostics up, they can improve patient outcome. But they cannot replace anything in the medical setting.

The AI we have is like fancy signal processing at best

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not shocked. It seems the tech bros like to troll us every few years.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 35 points 1 week ago

The tech bros are selling, but it's the VCs that are fueling this whole thing. They're grasping for the next big thing. Mostly they don't care if any of it actually works, as long as they can pump share value and then sell before it collapses.

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