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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago

Humanity is not intrinsically violent to this scale.

[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 114 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This period of peace in Western Europe is pretty special and I would like to keep it that way, thx

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This period of peace in Western Europe

France: "We haven't gone to war with Germany in decades!"

Me: "What about Libya?"

France: ...

Me: "Algeria? Argentina? Rwanda? The Ivory Coast? Somalia? Chad? Basque Country? Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia?"

France: sound of FAMAS F1 cocking

[–] faercol@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Achtually the french army doesn't use FAMAS anymore and they replaced them with german made HK416.

Not gonna argue about the rest though

First Elsass-Lothringen, now Heckler & Koch... when are they going to stop taking our stuff?

(Yes, I know the actual history is more complex. I'm just memeing.)

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 52 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This period of war in Eastern Europe is pretty shit and I would like Western Europe to take it more seriously, thx

[–] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So you're saying we should invade Poland?

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[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

Don't worry, western Europe is doing its thing. It's electing fascists like Putin to create even more such wars. It's the preferred alternative to Socialism for neoliberals, conservatives and social-democrats anyway

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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's because the EU was created with the purpose of making an interconnected market where going to war is simply way too costly.

As the other commenter said, there is a war in Europe though.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah but don't forget, we in the UK left the EU. Bo Jo already considered invading the Netherlands once.

Oh man, that'd go over well. I wanna see those battleplans.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah but at least we limit ours to small scale atrocities committed by civilians, and not all-out civil war. And proxy wars. And not-a-war-wars. And helping others with their own ~~wars~~ genocides.

Fuck. Nevermind I guess.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 25 points 3 days ago

in the US we call that 9th grade

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (2 children)

American students every couple weeks

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

American Economics Professor: "We pulled ourselves out of the Great Depression by entering WW2"

American Economics Student: "I can't afford my car payment and my rent just doubled. When can we re-invade the South Pacific?"

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And nothing to do with those pesky socialist reforms of the new deal. No this social reforms ruined everything! Must kill for equity!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In fairness, if you get under the hood of the New Deal benefits, they relieved a lot of immediate suffering and mobilized a workforce that had been functionally abandoned by the private sector.

But they didn't "grow the economy" in the same way as the enormous investment in the Military Industrial Complex achieved. The Citizens Conservation Corps and the Social Security Administration didn't create the kind of high paying engineering and manufacturing jobs that state demand for thousands of new tanks and ships achieved.

WW2 full mobilization of the economy wasn't just taking in the slack of a depressed market. It was a command economy in all but name, dictating every aspect of the industrial chain, from extraction to expenditure to recovery and recycling.

The tragedy of WW2 is that we could only permit this kind of logistical achievement for the purpose of joining a bloodbath in Europe, North Africa, and East Asia. As soon as Roosevelt passed, Truman began reprivatizing the economy as quickly as possible.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah that's fair. But the works and practice in mobilizing the workforce in the new deal played a big part in the US having industrial capability prior to WWII. Not mentioning other logistics, the power grid improvement alone may have made the difference in the war effort even being possible for the US. After the war private industry continued to benefit from cheap energy coming from those same projects. Hell if there's a miuntain range in your state you're almost certainly getting some of your power from a hydro plant made in the 30's.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But the works and practice in mobilizing the workforce in the new deal played a big part in the US having industrial capability prior to WWII.

Hard to power the 1940s industrial economy without coal. And hard to generate coal without an electrification of the Tennessee Valley. Without a doubt.

Hell if there’s a miuntain range in your state you’re almost certainly getting some of your power from a hydro plant made in the 30’s.

Given his attitude towards public works, it's very funny that Hoover has the nation's largest dam named after him.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

There's also the west coast. The damming of the Columbia, while a natural disaster, made the region viable for manufacture and ship building. In some ways it lead to the possibility for the tech industry as well for better or worse.

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[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

Yes, we have decades between (direct involvement in) wars!!
We didn't even spend actual money on war stuff the last few decades.

But we sure are gonna do it now, we need to protect our drinking water (for the coming water wars) and update our firewalls (for the coming Skynet wars).

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It usually involves trying to start some shit with Russia.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Falschrum Brüder

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