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Chrome Users Beware: Manifest V3 is Deceitful and Threatening (www.eff.org)

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[–] miguel@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

the ordinary user will only notice it when his adblocker stops working.

Firefox maintains the largest extension market that’s not based on Chrome, and the company has said it will adopt Mv3 in the interest of cross-browser compatibility.

We all know, and more the Mozilla people, that this cross-browser compatibility is false, the big G is forcing them to use their technology unilaterally. Mozilla is one step away from switching to blink engine, but they has no more options, with the huge losses generated by many bad decisions made, especially during the disastrous management of Brendan Eich. Google became their only oxygen tank (keeping Mozilla afloat enough to avoid antitrust laws and disintegrate the conglomerate).

[+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I use Vivaldi as the main browser and this one from the beginning will not include APIs that compromise privacy, such as FLoC. Other Google APIs, which are in Chromium, are optional and can be disabled in the privacy settings. By far the largest number of extensions are in the Chrome Store, although it is not a problem to install extensions from other sources in Vivaldi. Many extensions, such as ad and tracker blocker, are inbuild as own functions, as well as other functions that make it unnecessary to use many extensions.

Firefox is certainly a valid alternative, with reasonable privacy, despite the fact that, like other browsers in the US, it is financed by surveillance advertising, that is, it sends user data to Alphabet inc, NEST and other Google advertising companies. And just like Chromium, it contains APIs from Google, which the user cannot easily deactivate. Not even Tor is secure against fingerprinting and surveillance.

The underlying problem is the very bad and even dangerous habit of the big oligopolies, mainly the United States, of putting the privacy of users at risk for commercial reasons and, until now, among many companies that are active against the practices of surveillance advertising. , Vivaldi is the only browser manufacturer, in the list there is no other in this campaign, not even Mozilla, which is very sad and leaves few options to the user, in view of having little to choose between Blink, Gecko and WebKit, apart of some unstable and compatible exotics. To choose, use a browser that lets the tracking used by web pages pass and / or track the user directly. Among those who do not, there are not many and none are from the United States.

This is reality, although I know that many will not like it.

[–] vin047@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Firefox ... sends user data to Alphabet inc, NEST and other Google advertising companies

I don't think this is true. The Mozilla FAQ states that they only use telemetry data for product improvement.

Also, you're probably aware of this already, but Vivaldi is not open source.

[+] Zerush@lemmy.ml -23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Blacklight analyse Mozilla

Blacklight detected this website sending user data to Alphabet, the technology conglomerate that encompasses Google and associated companies like Nest. The Silicon Valley giant collects data from twice the number of websites as its closest competitor, Facebook. An Alphabet spokesperson told The Markup that internet users can go here if they want to opt out of the company showing them targeted ads based on their browsing history.

The site sent information to the following domains google-analytics.com, google.com, googletagmanager.com.

Company description accurate on Sept. 3, 2020 Read Google's Privacy Policy

You like or not, Mozilla make money with surveillance advertising, that is, with the user data. You only can oopt out from Alphabet request it in this same company which already has your data, but you are still tracked by Nest and by Google itself, as they say for "product improvement", Vivaldi ask the community and the user to do this, voting new features, there is nothing tracking you and selling your data., not even googleanaylytics. That is the difference betwen a US soft and a European soft.

Vivaldi make money with sponsored links and search engines, which include by default, but which the user can delete without problems if he don't use or wan't these. Apart with a little merchandising store. You can sync in the own Vivaldi server, encrypted end to end, Vivaldi itself can't access to your data, not even can restore data and password, if you lost your password.

In the beginning also Firefox was centered in the needs of the user, but nowaday it makes decisions in own interests, that is the reason because a lot of users leaved this browser and even the Linux communities pass more and more to Vivaldi, there are already two distros that include Vivaldi as the default browser, FerenOS and Manjaro, others will follow, if Firefox does not return to its roots.

[+] rowdyrockets@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] Mindlight@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It seems he used this url: https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=mozilla.com

The tool just analyzes the Mozilla webpage and have nothing to do with Mozilla Firefox web browser.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://themarkup.org/blacklight?url=mozilla.org

Firefox is a good privacy browser, except if you use the sync with Mozilla. Mozilla is sponsored by Google and send data to it and to Alphabet, it's a fact.

[+] rowdyrockets@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you read my comments you will see that I have not said that Firefox passes your data to Google (at least not if you rule out Google, which is the default search engine). But if you need to synchronize your data and also if you download to Firefox from Mozilla, this data does go straight to Google. Firefox is a good and private browser, I myself use it as a second one, but not so much if you need to sync your data, then it is necessary to use your own host and not Mozilla if you want to avoid Google, this is the problem. I am not misleading, because I know that this putting all Chromium in the same drawer is deeply false, it is true that Vivaldi uses Chromium (Blink) as its base, but it is largely de-googled, leaving the rest of the Google APIs as an option for the user in the security and privacy settings. If I disable everything, I can't even download extensions from the Chrome Store, since it's not recognized as Chromium Browser, so it's the only API I have active. It is not a simple Chromium fork with a logo, like others, no data is sent to Google apart from queries about Chromium updates that goes through Vivaldi, where the devs gut it and then make it available in the Vivaldi update itself, neither by the browser nor by the Vivaldi sync server in Iceland, encrypted data where not even the Vivaldi team itself has access (if you lose your password, you lose your data , no recovery possible), no ads and no tracking, surveillance advertising, , like US Browser companies do, isn't the business model of Vivaldi

Vivaldi is owned by its employees. And we plan to keep it that way. Having no external investors gives us the freedom to listen to our users and, together with them, build the browser they deserve. Every idea counts and is taken seriously.

[+] rowdyrockets@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/a-dangerous-conflict-of-interest-between-firefox-and-google/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-05/why-google-keeps-paying-mozilla-s-firefox-even-as-chrome-dominates

Things like this happen when a company bases its income on third party investors (Google), it has to abide by their rules instead.

[+] rowdyrockets@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Certainly you are tracked if you use the default Google search, but even if you change to another search ther are remaining the Google APIs in FF, which you can desactivate in Vivaldi, but not in FF

I think you have read more than only the first lines of the links

Fact: In addition to the Google cash flowing to Mozilla, a number of Google engineers spend significant amounts of time working on Firefox. This includes Ben Goodger, the former lead developer, and still a major contributor for the browser. Yes, other companies pay developers to work on Firefox, but none throw as many overall corporate resources at the browser.

Fact: Two key features of the Google Toolbar for Firefox were rolled into the Firefox 2.0 browser and are turned on by default: Google Browse By Name and Google Safe Browsing for Firefox (now the Phishing Protection feature in Firefox 2.0). These two features, while useful, are more than just the application of a useful patch. They result in millions of Firefox browsers regularly polling Google servers for core information.

Fact: The Google Anti-Phishing relationship will be expanded in Firefox 3.0. While Google currently is the default provider of a blacklist of known phishing sites to the browser, this will be enhanced to include a blacklist of sites that serve up malicious software.

Mozilla and FF are great in the past and FF is a good browser, but currently is a Google pet. Things which happens dealing with the devil, loosing independence. BS if you believe any other thing.

[–] DrinkBoba@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Vivaldi is a horrible choice imo

[–] sarsaparilyptus@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Can you please shilling for your chrome skin, it's weird

[+] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

1 https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-gets-more-private-delivers-an-all-new-capture-pwa-support/

2 Because of Mv3, already incorporated in v.3 an ad-y trackerblocker of its own, expandable with filters from uBO, AB+ and others

It also skips other possible limitations in extensions with its own functions.

3 Blink is the only thing related to Chrome, Vivaldi is very different to all other Chromium browser.

4 Yes, 5% is proprietary code, but only related to the UI and full auditable, in the same community they even show how the user can modify it for his likes and needs (at own risk). Vivaldi hides nothing.

Performance currently v.5 is good, better as the other browser I have Otter and Palemoon, even faster than Edge. Security is relative in every browser, Chrome and Edge are not private, but secure, Firefox and Vivaldi are a lot more privat and secure, all they protect against fishing, fraudulent webs and all of them use a sandbox system currently.

I've tested nearly all browsers and Vivaldi is the best and most advanced of all I've used, at least for the moment. I don't know what Google do in the future in the store, but novaday most extensions in the store in Vivaldi are redundant and not really needed. But yes, it's almost a full online suite and not for someone who needs only a browser to consult the mail or to post in a social network.

It is made also for this, including a mail client and feed reader, but it also have a notepad with Markdownm which works also as multiclipboardfrom the context menu, inbuild translater not from Google, multilevel tab-stacking, splitscreen, ideal for study and video conferences, clock and pomodore timer, screenshot, web-panel to ad websites in mobile view, History panel with calendar, graphics and stadistics, mouse gesture, fast-keys and key chains, Calendendar, QR code, ........etc. Apart an UI fully customizable, even with a panel for insert CSS files, you can put the icons, tabs, adress - and .other bars everywher you want, or hide them.

There is no other who can do this.