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[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

........ They weren't before?

Yeah, they weren't as synergized. Now they're coordinating with key stakeholders to maximize the efficiency of their aggressive roadmap. Or something, I kinda suck at business jargon.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

... To the surprise of absolutely nobody

Actually I have a question and I admit knowing nothing of the legal framework here but...

Isn't it absolutely ridiculous that a not-for-profit entity can exists solely for the purpose of developing a closed-source piece of software, demand to train it for free off copyrighted material, just to switch to a for-profit entity??

Sound 100% like tax avoidance. Like me registering a charity so I can throw a mega concert/party privately, secure preferencial treatment on supplies, get discounts on artists or even free performance and then switch to for profit as I start selling tickets

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Originally all their work was supposed to be published and shared with the world, hence the "open" in OpenAI. However somewhere along the way they made a for-profit break off of the original company and started pulling everything in that direction.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

OpenAI: It's not fair to charge us to use copywriten works.

Also OpenAI: Also you have to pay us for using them.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

copyrighted*

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[–] socialmedia@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Just want to point out that it absolutely is possible to train an AI that will keep track of its sources for inspiration and can attribute those when it makes a response.

Meaning creators could be compensated for their parts of AI generated stuff, if anyone wanted to.

[–] blorp@feddit.uk 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't Phind do this already? I haven't used it much but I remember it showing its sources for answers of code-related stuff

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

I use Phind solving computer problems. It does cite the sources it uses. At least for distro and general Linux issues. So far, it's been a very good resource when I've needed it.

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 237 points 4 days ago (5 children)

So what exactly is open about their ai

[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 283 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It’s called OpenAI because they are open to stealing content to train their AI

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 65 points 4 days ago (4 children)
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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 55 points 4 days ago

Open(your fucking wallet)AI

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[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 154 points 4 days ago (22 children)

reminder, there are localy ran LLMs. Right now is a vital time for open source to fight against closed source in the AI arms race.

https://www.nomic.ai/gpt4all

[–] mayo@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Another good resource to help people find models https://llm.extractum.io

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[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wild for a company that's never made a profit

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

These companies do not make profit in paper but have already made millions for others.

It's all smoke and mirrors

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 3 days ago

Oh it's made plenty for Nvidia.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 71 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Hey, remember when you guys lined up to suck his dick when the board tried to keep OpenAI working for the good of humanity instead of the oligarchy?

[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm always in line for a good dick sucking

Not to knock dick sucking as a whole, but you need some standards.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I hate being right

Why do people keep being fooled by rich assholes

[–] s3p5r@lemm.ee 22 points 3 days ago (10 children)

People have grown up reading comic books and watching movies about generous billionaire superhero saviors. They want to believe that exists because it's what they've been taught justice looks like.

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[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 30 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, that was a strange moment. Those in the company being for Altman, I can understand. They expected big returns of investment from keeping him around. But the outsiders on the internet cheering him on? Felt like Elon Musk in the beginning again. And yes I also fell for his engineer persona in the beginning. But I learned from that.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

What was so obvious in that instance was the board members trying to push him out were calling out the lack of openness OpenAI was trending towards. They were literally calling him out for not upholding the vision of why the company was founded.

All the engineers clearly saw their payday slipping away and revolted for that reason. Can't say I blame them, but it was a scenario where the board was actually doing the right thing and everyone turned on them for profit.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I don't remember this at all.

AI has looked like a scam since the Metaverse days when Facebook realized it couldn't push those shitty headsets on people and decided to pivot.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 61 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Probably has to be renamed to "ClosedAI" then.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Step 1. Make an AI that hoovers up content.

Step 2. When owners of content complain about privacy violations and copyright infringement, allay their fears. This AI is for the Good of Humanity.

Step 3. ???

Step 4. Profit.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 9 points 3 days ago

Yet another example of doing crime at a big enough scale that you get rewarded for it. That's what this country was built on.

[–] bzarb8ni@lemm.ee 117 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Almost like Sam Altman is just another run of the mill tech bro scam guy.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 106 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I hope OpenAI is going to serve as a radicalizing example to all the engineers, who fell for the "ethical guy/company" rhetoric, that the minority-controlled corporate structures they're used to cannot withstand the push for profit. I hope this will make more of them choose majority-controlled structures for their startups and demand unions in existing corpos.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 51 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I mean, I was already radicalized in that respect, but it’s definitely reaffirming that radicalization.

But also: I fuckin told you so. This progression was so blindingly obvious from the get-go.

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[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 75 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

The fact that Silicon Valley interests effortlessly shrugged off the non-profit board's attempt to hit the kill switch last year, and now are preparing to take the company commercial despite the deliberate design otherwise, becomes much more interesting when you consider the theory that corporations are a form of artificial superintelligence.

If the AI idealists can't stand up to basic forces of capitalism, how do they expect to control an actually dangerous AGI?

[–] lemto@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I kinda liked the text you linked. Here’s a quote.

There are also structural changes that can be made to corporations to realign their values system with human welfare. Corporate charters can be amended to optimize for a triple bottom line of social, environmental, and financial outcomes (the so-called “triple Ps” of people, planet, and profit.)

This reminds me of what we are trying to do where I live. The hard thing is this requires a lot of work and it doesn’t just go against the corporate agenda; it goes against the normal lifestyle most everyone around us lives. It has made me want to quit sometimes.

But then again, true life is in true living among real people and real things, not in daydreaming of better days.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (3 children)

You give them far too much credit to assume this specific company will ever achieve anything even close to AGI.

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[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

How is this going to work while OpenAI currently burns through an absolute ocean of cash to keep improving its services? Alongside this, a good software engineer or applied scientist can make close to $1m a year. While I do think professionals should earn what their value is to an employer, OpenAI still loses a ton of money.

As someone that works in AI, I think most of us know it's full of people trying to make a quick buck while investors will stupidly throw money at it. OpenAI is ultimately the figurehead of this market though, because at least the big companies can prop their AI offerings with the money they make from shopping, cloud, ads, etc. The second OpenAI looks weak and needs money, the vultures will slice off a piece and we'll see the AI market reduce to a wimper - just enough for tech to focus on the next grift.

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[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

Face is looking increasingly compromised and distorted every photo.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago

As Ed said, Sam Altman has been a plague.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 56 points 4 days ago
[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 days ago

I think their name goes against some consumer laws here in Europe.

Better call themselves ClosedAI

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

How exactly does one “outgrow” “AGI for the benefit of all humanity?

OpenAI Charter https://openai.com/charter

Our primary fiduciary duty is to humanity. We anticipate needing to marshal substantial resources to fulfill our mission, but will always diligently act to minimize conflicts of interest among our employees and stakeholders that could compromise broad benefit.

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