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Alt TextThis cartoon has four panels. All the panels show a gritty commercial doorway – the kind that’s recessed a few feet into the building – on a city sidewalk. There’s litter and graffiti here.

There are two characters in the comic strip. The first character is a homeless man sleeping in the doorway, wearing a zip-up sweatshirt over a t-shirt and a dull red knit cap, and with a full beard. The other character is a muscular-looking cop dressed in a police uniform and carrying a baton. In defiance of tradition, he is cleanshaven. I’ll call these two characters KNITCAP and COP.

PANEL 1

Knitcap, covered by a brown blanket and with his head pillowed on some rolled-up clothes, is lying in a doorway, apparently asleep. The cop is using his baton to poke knitcap in the side. The cop has a somewhat sadistic grin.

COP: Hey, you! Get up! We’ve outlawed sleeping in public! You’re not allowed anymore!

PANEL 2

Knitcap is sitting up, rubbing sleep out of his eyes with one hand. He speaks calmly. The cop watches, smirking, arms akimbo.

KNITCAP: In that case, I guess I’ll sleep in a hotel tonight.

PANEL 3

A close-up of Knitcap. He’s stroking his chin with a hand, as if thinking through his options.

KNITCAP: Or should I sleep in my townhouse instead? Or my Hamptons place? I’ll call my butler and ask what he thinks!

PANEL 4

Knitcap, grinning, is now holding a hand next to his face, thumb and pinky finger extended, pretending it’s a phone as he talks. The cop is glaring and slapping his baton against his palm.

KNITCAP: Smithers? Smithers old boy! My super fun street sleeping holiday is done. Which of my mansions shall I sleep in tonight.

COP (thought): Next step: Outlaw sarcasm.

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[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I have bit of a nuanced take on the subject (ie: I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion.)

So here goes. To me Homelessness isn't the problem. Rampant drug addiction and mental illness are. For the mental illness part, we need comprehensive and affordable mental health care for everyone. That's not going to happen in my lifetime though.

The drug addiction however...

Places like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle and Vancouver (where I'm from) have followed the decriminalization theory of drug rehabilitation. This posits that by providing clean drug paraphernalia and safe places to use drugs, will help people to overcome addiction. But the current state of these cities prove that this theory is false. In order to make someone change, they have to want to change. When you make drug use easier, there is less incentive for that person to want to get clean. Homelessness and the accompanying problems are to most of them just the "cost of doing business."

Their lives should be made more difficult as to incentivize them to want to change their ways. Of course there should be certain exceptions, such as when it's too hot or cold out. But we have to somehow give them a reason to change their ways.

At least where I live there are systems in place to help you get off the street. I would know as I was homeless for a year living on the street. But when COVID hit, I finally had enough and decided to get help. I went to a shelter, got signed up for disability and through BC housing I got myself a room in a shared complex. I'm proof that when you really try, there is help out there for you to make your life better.

Now bring on the downvotes.

[–] corstian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I'm with you on the point that (mental) healthcare should be affordable and accessible. Drug use however isn't the problem, but merely a symptom as well. Figure out why people turn to drugs, solve the underlying issue (generally mental health related), and the drug issue is gone.

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[–] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Pretending like people who have issues with homeless people camping just hate the idea of seeing poor people in the presence is a massive straw man.

A lot of homeless who choose to camp in heavily urban areas are deeply disturbed, and almost proudly violate every rule of society.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'd think that if society fucked me over enough to the point that I had to sleep on her streets, I'd proudly violate all the rules too.

You expect people to respect the institution that bent them over until they broke? Fuck that.

Respect is reciprocal. I'll give it at first but if it's obvious I'm not getting any back, then there's no sense in continuing to give it.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

Something about a dog biting back after being kicked around enough

[–] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So on that last part, residents in areas with a high population of disruptive homeless would feel well within their rights to criminalize their behavior.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To that I would say society is failing them either further.

How much does it cost to criminalize homelessness? Between enforcement, jailing, feeding, clothing, trials, lawyers, DAs, etc. It's a fucking fortune.

Why do we go right to the stick, when the carrot is cheaper and more humane? Why aren't we helping them instead of spending more money to strip away whatever shreds of dignity they have left?

God forbid we help people down on their luck. Much better for us to exert even more effort and capital to dehumanize them. Surely that'll keep everyone from choosing a vagrant lifestyle and make them pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I bet you haven't heard what those British MPs said about homelessness.

[–] hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Considering this is meant to be NYC, I don't really think that's relevant.

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[–] PK2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I've seen this comment before and I hate it. The second that NON WHITE homeless dude talked back to the white cop he'd have a face full of curb and probably be on his way to jail if not death. What kind of ridiculously naive person drew this?

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