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Soon, Old Glory will have to be born in the land of the free and not merely flying over it.

Congress has passed a proposal to require the federal government to purchase only American flags that have been completely manufactured in the U.S. The U.S. imports millions of American flags from overseas, mostly from China, and the sponsors of the proposal said it’s time for American flags to originate in the country they represent.

Supporters of the proposal, led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, said the change is more than just symbolic — they believe it will support American jobs and manufacturers while preserving the nation’s most recognized banner.

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[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 1 month ago

So, who's the donor friend who owns flag manufacturing facilities?

[–] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hello young person, do you know why you should care about the government? Me neither. JFC can we address something that actually matters you fucking empty uniforms. Sorry. Great share, and thanks!

[–] PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (26 children)

Yeah but take the small wins where you can get them. This is a good thing and we should celebrate even if for a short moment.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

they believe it will support American jobs and manufacturers

What, like 3 jobs?

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Yeah but they're going to spend $10,000 per flag that costs $0.10 to make. Gotta keep lining those contractor pockets!

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

I remember all the cheap Chinese bumper stickers that people were slapping on their cars....an American flag with the words "THESE COLORS DON'T RUN"

Within a couple months most of the flag color had faded. It was so funny seeing a light pink and blue American flag with that contradictory phrase over it.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

To be fair, it is extremely weird to imagine the U.S. government buying U.S. flags from China. Like, I'm not some patriot flag-code respecting type, but it does feel like a powerful metaphor to be importing our symbol of freedom from abroad. It's some severely bad optics at a minimum.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Sounds very american to me.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 4 points 1 month ago

I've always said that "made in China" is way more American than "made in the USA".

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[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

but it does feel like a powerful metaphor to be importing our symbol of freedom from abroad

Freedom to buy from the lowest cost provider!

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How about we just fly fewer flags. I live in the center of the US and don't need to be reminded by every public building, car lot, and bigot's house of what country I live in.

Official federal and state buildings, those are fine.

[–] Rekhyt@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

This bill is literally about the federal government purchasing flags, not private citizens...

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But what if you are walking between aisles in walmart, and suddenly become unsure what country you are in?

[–] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The 400 woman on a mobility scooter blocking the isle will probably clue me in.

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

I remember the vacation road trips of my youth, when our family would drive from Canada down into the US to go camping. We'd make a game of counting the American flags we saw. Occasionally there'd be some "game over" property with more flags festooning it than we could actually count before we drove past. It'd be a boring game to count Canadian flags in a similar way. There'd be one or two per day of travel.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The current number of congresspersons, 435, was created in 1913. In the 1920 census the US population was 29,662,053.

29,662,053/435 ~= in 1913 there were 68,188 persons per member of Congress.

In 2020 the population was 331,449,281

331,449,281/435 ~= in 2020 there were 761,952 persons per member of Congress.

One person can't represent three quarters of a million people in a national assembly. That isn't representation.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

You think those numbers are bad? Wait till you look up the averages for each US Senator.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

But do you think American flags should be made in America?!?

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[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If memory serves, I believe GOP Senator Susan Collins was the one who exercised great skill in brow furrowing - and nothing further - when expressing disapproval over felon Drink Bleach's reckless behavior.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah I like the idea here, but I saw Susan Collins and thought “Aw fuck what bullshit from yonder asshole breaks?”

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

It will support one company that gets the GSA contract.

We have so much shit going on in this country and this is what we're worried about?

Ohio, Maine, come get your senators. They're drunk.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Im pretty sure Ohio is also drunk, and Maine is too busy dealing with eldritch entities and whatever is pushed out of the Maritime into the US.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe they should just elect one of those next time?

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Senator Brown is a great senator and literally the only statewide Democrat we have other than a few state Supreme Court justices (who will be out soon now that Republicans added party affiliation to the court ballot). He will be far better for America than Bernie Moreno.

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[–] kmaismith@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I didn’t realize this is how it worked, where can i pick up Mr. Vance? I have some choice words for him

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's like they know that one of our major problems is that capitalists have destroyed all our manufacturing and sent all of our production jobs overseas thus weakening our economy our society and our National Defense. Yet instead of doing anything about it they just do this thumb their nose bill that does nothing. Kind of like a fuck you to the entire country.

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I'd really like to see who drafted this bill and a who the share holders in the company that will be making these flags are. My gut says they are the same people.

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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago

I don't get why people are tilted about this. The government should always buy US made unless the item literally cannot be found from a US manufacturer.

Tax payer money should stay in the country when possible. Yeah it's a small issue but I doubt much time was spent on this

[–] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Well thank fuck they've started addressing such important issues.

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[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Capitalism. Until we don’t like particular ramifications of capitalism and then we legislate nationalisation of particular industries….because.

Truly the invisible hand of the market at work.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There’s a Pretty Good Chance Your American Flag Was Made by a Prisoner: People of color are incarcerated in huge numbers. And they’re manufacturing America’s symbol of freedom.

Harris was referring to the visit she made to the Central California Women’s Facility in July, a visit on which I tagged along. It was a surreal experience to watch dozens of women, mostly women of color, at work stations inside of the country’s largest prison for women, laying out and printing fabric and then dyeing it royal blue. It was just as surreal, if not more so, to hear prison officials point out that these flags would one day fly atop every state and federal building in California, describing this with something almost adjacent to pride.

U! S! A! U! S! A! U! S! A!

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Considering this only covers US Government purchased flags, this IS the invisible hand of the market. It’s a consumer choosing where they want to purchase products.

And it is t nationalizing the industry. They still will be privately produced. And individual Americans can still by Chinese flags.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On its surface that's not a horrible position for a government to take.

It's not unreasonable for the national government (in any country) to give some level of local preference to all procurement, not only something symbolic like flags. That would actually incentivize companies to onshore more of their manufacturing - or at least slow down their offshoring.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah honestly national symbol items being made locally just makes sense for so many reasons if possible and this is definitely possible. Especially since it should be the purpose of the national government to support internal functions and business before external whenever possible right?

With of course like allowments for maybe raw materials or specialized things if it's not possible. I would get this feeling silly for a country like Vanuatu but the US has resources aplenty.

Plus in times of broken down supply lines it provides at least one manufacturing plant to rely on. This is also true of the military already for those reasons.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What?

Flags being born?

What?

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[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Why did I think this was already a thing?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fine. Then China will produce 99.98% of the flag and an American factory will put 2 stitches and a "Made in America" tag on it.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

So you didn’t read the article and are just making shit up in your head? Got it.

Even with current rules, 50% of the flag has to be American made.

Typical.

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[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When talking about bizarre American obsession with flags... :

https://lemmy.world/post/17511734

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You know what, for context for anyone late to the discourse.

All of this is about a bill passing through the Senate for the manufacturer of the government bought flags to go from 50% American manufactured materials to 100%.

Enjoy the ride.

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