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[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

Me, who has killed 2 killers

[–] havokdj@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Simply kill more than one killer

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But if you're already a killer and you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world is reduced by one.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 11 months ago

Exactly, so as soon as you kill one you have a moral obligation to pump your K/D as high as you can.

[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

If you kill two killers then the number of killers has been reduced by 1.

The number of killers is always offset by the number of people you kill minus 1. So the real mora is don't stop at one, thanks Batman 😃

[–] grey@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

Some people are just a threat to everything.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, this absolutely. But it's also one of the serious flaws of action films that show good/bad guys- you never see the aftermath.

Take this scene from Dark Knight. Batman is on his ARMED motorcycle thing, Joker's sitting there shooting at cars driven by innocent people. So at least 3-4 innocent people are now dead because Batman wouldn't take the shot.

But you don't see that- the cars windows are blacked out. You don't see the innocent people torn apart and splattered all over their cars. You don't see the little kid sitting in the back seat screaming as Mommy is torn to shreds by automatic rifle fire and the car crashes. You don't see the family that no longer has a mom or dad or son or daughter. And because you don't see that, our presentation of Batman's 'ethics' is fake.
Ask any one of those families if they'd trade the Joker's life to get their family member back. You won't find a single one that says 'I'm glad the Joker is alive, it was worth my daddy getting shot to avoid killing him'.

The fact is- Batman is selfish. He ALLOWS 3-4+ innocent people to die, to save his own conscience

Do you see him thinking about them in bed at night? The people he COULD have saved, that WOULD be alive if he just pulled the trigger? Of course not. Because the writers only show us half the story. They black out the car windows, so we don't see the consequences.


And if you're all 'Batman isn't a vigilante', well sure. But even for a civilian, there's rules of engagement. Even in the anti-gun state of California you're allowed to use deadly force to save the life of yourself or another from a violent psychopath posing an imminent threat. Especially after Joker shot up the first car and showed he was going to do it again.

[–] SavageJomama@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Do you know any movies that show more of the aftermath and the "full picture"?

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net 1 points 11 months ago

(I thought I replied, but it seems to not be here, not sure if I forgot to hit Reply or what but trying this again)

Sadly not really.
Sometimes aftermath is used as a plot device- for example the Avengers series dealt with that a bit and who should be responsible for the actions of superheroes.

But for real 'full picture' it's almost never shown because it's messy and bloody and awful and really really sad. Think opening scene of 'Saving Private Ryan' just with a lot more feels. If those cars weren't blacked out you'd see blood everywhere and the people in them would be either wounded and screaming or gasping for air as their lungs fill with blood or dead and mangled as bullets tore their bodies apart. And if anyone else was in the back seat and survived you'd have the terrified screams of a child who just watched as Mommy get turned into so much hamburger meat and then the driverless car crashed. And then, perhaps hours or days later, you'd have families that break down in panicked screaming-cries when they are told their wife/husband/mother/father/son/daughter is never coming home.
Ask any of THOSE people, and any of them would happily trade Joker's life to get their loved one back.
The REALITY of serious violence can't be shown in PG-13 movies and even R movies either can't or don't often show it. People go to the movies to have fun and feel good, not see a bloody mess that makes them want to puke and then cry as they experience the pain of a broken family.

Perhaps this bothers me more than most because I HAVE seen what the real result is like. I was around for the shock video era in the 2000s and saw some really awful stuff from Chechnya. There's a bunch of combat footage coming from Ukraine. And closer to this subject, I've seen a lot of videos of defensive shooting incidents. It's not like movies, it's not fun. It's just brutal and sad.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] SavageJomama@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Oh damn, yea, that is so true

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

I always think of Batman is a crazy person that he knows he's a crazy person. Which is why he has to strictly follow rules he set for himself.

If Batman broke his rule against killing, within a few years people of Gotham would have to worry about getting killed by the Batman for jaywalking. Batman knows that he has the potential of going this way so he has to follow his rules to prevent that from happening.

[–] mobilehugh@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago
[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

If you kill 1000 killers the number of killers in the world decreases by 999 though.

[–] lorez@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As an old friend of mine once said "If he killed em the writers would have to invent new enemies continuously. With that excuse they can put them in the Asylum and reuse them for new stories whenever they want."

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

Heaven forbid writers be forced to come up with something original or anything