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    [–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 47 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Never happened to me. Like ever. And I've been on Linux (with occasional dual-booting whenever I'm in a position where I need windows--) for like 15 years now?

    To be honest a lot of stuff people talk about seems to not happen to me and I think I might be exceedingly lucky or smth.

    [–] menemen@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    My guess: the windows update fucked up Grub. Happened to me once or twice in 20 years of dual booting. It is also easily recoverable.

    [–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago

    I do remember like, back in the day, having a LiveDVD around that had all sorts of 'recovery tools', among them one that was a one-click "grub is breaked, pls fix" thing.

    Only had to use it once or twice though.

    [–] MTK@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It tends to happen if you are not using the windows bootloader (GRUB for example) but if you use the windows bootloader it should be fine

    [–] themusicman@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

    Oh it just changes the bootloader? That's not a big deal. Easy to fix from any live usb.

    Also, for any distro hoppers out there... Do yourself a favour and put Ventoy on a USB. You can thank me later

    [–] Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    With EFI systems this doesn't matter. It was an issue with the legacy BIOS bootloader systems about a decade ago though.

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    [–] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Same. Never happened to me either. But I usually make a sperate UEFI partition for Linux instead of relying on grub.

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    [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To be honest a lot of stuff people talk about seems to not happen to me and I think I might be exceedingly lucky or smth.

    Considering the people who seem to have issues are the ones who go out of their way to be all "Linux good/Microsoft bad" I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume most of it is total bullshit.

    I've built half a dozen PC's running windows 10 from scratch and not a single one of them has gotten messed up during the incredibly straightforward install/update process. It's so dumb simple compared to virtually anything else I just don't get how you could even have problems.

    Listening to Windows problems on here from Linux users (I use both btw just to avoid the inevitable pedantry) is like watching a toddler throw a fit because he found out you have to peel a banana before you eat it, but their favorite fruit is an orange.

    [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

    is like watching a toddler throw a fit because he found out you have to peel a banana before you eat it, but their favorite fruit is an orange.

    Got to admit, that's one hell of a response. Can be used in many situations.

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    [–] tkarika@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

    Neither happened to me. It only happens if you install windows, not when you're upgrading it...

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    [–] SaintNewts@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I really hate that Windows does this. Which is why when I decide to switch a machine to Linux it's the only OS allowed to boot to bare metal. Windows can go in a VM and suck it.

    [–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not sure why, but your comment made me think about the first machine I switched to Linux. It was a laptop who's fan eventually had a bad bearing and needed to be replaced. Luckily it was still under warranty, so I sent the laptop in to get the fan replaced, and received my laptop back with Windows installed on it... I was so livid.

    [–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Never send them the drive.

    They are probably required to boot to the desktop for qa

    [–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yup, exactly what they said. But I didn't know any better at the time. These days I would just fix that myself rather than send it to them

    [–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yeah, it's a once in a lifetime thing lol, but it's better to put that out on the off chance someone reading it may have to send one in.

    I hate to say it, but unless they're corporate machines or you put it together yourself, computers are basically disposable these days.

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    [–] YIj54yALOJxEsY20eU@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

    That pissed me off

    [–] SaintNewts@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

    Had something similar happen to me. Something unrelated to the OS or hard drive and they reformatted my drive and I lost everything. I was ballistic when I found that one out.

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    [–] mellejwz@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Windows only updates the bootloader, it doesn't touch Linux partitions. After an update you just have to fix the bootloader again which isn't too hard if you know how it works.

    [–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd argue one shouldn't even be messing with dual booting if they don't understand much about the bootloader.

    [–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    My counterpoint would be how does one best learn about anything if not by messing with it

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    [–] Reygle@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If you still "dual boot", be advised that Windows is a piece of shit and will almost always cause this with a "build" update. Highly, highly recommend having Linux and Windows (shame on you) on separate physical drives.

    [–] jose1324@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Not so easy to do when your laptop only has space for one

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    [–] robert@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Just protect bios/uefi with password and windows won't be able to modify any other EFI entry. It worked when i've dual-booted, it should still work.

    [–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How can I do that? I'm dual booting but was not aware of this, makes me a little nervous....

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    [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

    What about stop making bullshit posts? Windows have never did that to me, and there's no reason why would it touch any partition aside from its own and (if it exists) the Windows boot one.

    That said, It MIGHT replace MBR boot record but I don't know if that's very likely these days. I remember upgrading from Windows 8 to 10 and Windows left my MBR alone, and I was able to boot to GRUB just fine.

    [–] Ricaz@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    If you install Linux first and then Windows on the same drive, it will fuck up your bootloader.

    You can easily make Grub boot Windows, so just overwrite whatever fuckup Windows made, or install Windows first.

    It won't happen with a simple update, though, that's for sure. Maybe if you're upgrading Windows to a new major release.

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    [–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Depends on the Distro as some use different boot configs but I had it happen with Pop!OS and did the most logical thing which was wipe my windows partition 🤜🤛

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    [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    In my case it wasn't the boot entry being removed. It actually ate the partition. When installing Linux Mint, I resized the Windows partition in Linux. Then I noticed that Windows absolutely didn't recognize that change, and thought its partition is still as big as it used to. Then on a restart it hit me with the "Repairing drive C:" which killed the Linux partition leaving just something corrupted.
    "Repairing"

    [–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

    Windows: "Let me repair Linux for you"

    [–] FlyingPiisami@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Have you tried first resizing the windows partition inside windows? That's what I did and my dual boot has stayed intact

    [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

    Yep, that's what I did later and it worked.

    [–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Dual booting < having two separate SSD's

    [–] mojo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    They still need to share an EFI partition

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    [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The last time windows tried to update, it froze and when i rebooted my laptop, windows broke

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    [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

    I had this setup 20 years ago. Tried Linux, looked back once because I needed something from the then still unmounted windows partition, dumped the microshit partition 3 months later.

    Fuck windows

    [–] neveraskedforthis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    This is what made me jump the gun.

    [–] drislands@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I think the phrase you want is "pull the trigger". "Jump the gun" means to do something too soon, whereas "pull the trigger" means to do something after a wait.

    [–] neveraskedforthis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Nope, I definitely jumped the gun.

    It was Manjaro.

    [–] kevinbacon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

    Could have dodged a bullet there.

    [–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago

    Good meme, I like it. Windows blows. :)

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