I’d prefer NDP to either of the other two.
this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2024
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NDP for sure. I just wish Singh was able speak without feeling so hollow and empty. But, that said, they're the only party actively trying to improve Canadians lives.
Since the NDP can't get in by themselves, our best hope is a minority red government. That way the orange can influence them for everyone's benefit like they've done this past run.
When everyone says that our best advancements have come from a minority government, I'm thinking it's really come from the coalition partner allowing that minority to stay in power.
But it's still a binary race for us and, while not as dire as America's current predicament, our biggest risk to losing the things that make us Canadian is the apathy being pushed by the Russian spammers to reduce voter turnout. Like America, it will favour the assholes and potentially could put them into power.
Get everyone voting.
I’m totally ok with a minority government with NDP keeping them in check, but I can’t risk that enough to ever vote for a con man.
Seasoned pollster Nik Nanos says he has never seen a political landscape quite like the one in Canada right now.
For months, the Conservatives have enjoyed a double-digit lead over the Liberals. Does that mean it is a slam dunk that Pierre Poilievre will be Canada’s next prime minister?
“Absolutely not,” Nanos says. “If Pierre Poilievre makes a mistake, his drop will be hard and fast. And that is true if anyone next to him makes a mistake. I think the Conservatives have to realize that it’s not that they’re winning, it’s that the Liberals are losing. It is not a validation of Conservative policy.”
As for the NDP, Nanos thinks that with their numbers dropping in every byelection since their deal to support the Liberals, the deal will soon come to a close. That’s because the party will need a “six-month cooling off period,” to establish their own identity before voters next head to the polls.
I'm inclined to agree. None of the parties are running anyone I remotely want to vote for, which is kind of insane.
Dump Trudeau at this point. I think he thinks he's falling on his sword, but he's dooming the party. The OLP lost party status, I honestly could see that kind of result happen to the LP. If rather another Ignatief or Stephan Dion placeholder who you wouldn't question as opposition leader than the party to get wiped out.
Dump Singh, have you ever seen a less inspiring leader? He's rich and doesn't connect with the blue collar workers that the NDP should lean on. The NDP should be able to put forward a worker first platform that attracts a lot of southern and northern Ontario, easy, and probably appeal to Quebecors and environmentalists. .
Dump Polloevre, or don't, I'm not Conservative anyways. But Otoole was at least palatable to this lowercase liberal. Polluevre is a human shit stain wholly say anything to anyone to win. I don't trust him, I don't like his politics, I don't like his policy. The Construction needs to stop yelling freedom and pretending their the Republicans, because it's not a healthy position here in Canada.
The amount of people transfixed by Poilievre’s common sense approach is disgusting.
Pierre never says what his policies actually are, he lets people fill in the blanks with whatever they want to believe and it might be enough to win an election.
Even after when people figure out they’ve been duped by him they might double down lie what’s happening in the US or was happening in the UK.
He is the personification of the Futurama business guy “don’t you worry about blank, let me worry about blank”
Here's hoping his boneitus catches up with him
I wonder if PeePee has boneitis
And then when he gets voted out some years later, blame the next party for all the fallout.
Rinse repeat.
Fucking preach.
Jack Layton's death set the NDP back decades. I don't despise Singh, but he's got the personality of a potato. PP is bat shit crazy, and a fucking snake. Trudeau is inept.
I'm pretty left leaning: I align with a lot of NDP principles, but dislike their approach and delivery, so I default to liberal.
It'd be nice to have some decent candidates, not this microcosm of the race to the bottom the US is having.
Yes, I miss Layton
I don't know why the NDP hasn't come out swinging with a platform of no tax increases for the middle class, we're going to bolster healthcare and take it off the hands of small businesses to turn it into a real benefit of doing business in Canada, and make it easier for small businesses to start up and compete, so your jobs aren't going away.
Give the average Joe job security, health security, and real opportunity, and then see how excited people can get.
The NDP has been absolutely abysmal at advertising their platform. Many view them as a rotted-out crutch of the Liberals and the NDP seems to be just fine with that. It blows my mind in this landscape where Canadians are basically just asking for a rational leader.
Glad I'm in Quebec and we have our own alternative
Federally? Sure.
Legault is only marginally better than Drug Fraud though.
We're currently talking about federal politics so yes
None of the parties are running anyone I remotely want to vote for,
When you vote for no one, studies show it favours the conservatives. So you're still voting.
which is kind of insane.
I'll say. We always choose the least-worse bunch who can bring a plan through that will help the most Canadians. That's always the plan.
Dump Trudeau at this point.
I get it. He's boring. Has hasn't tuned us to withstand the epidemic AND delivered on a impressive list of other things.
Yeah. That and some poor makeup choices by his drama teacher 30 years ago and yeah, he's obviously Satan.
At this point, are you just trying to find reasons to not support an option because it makes the cons look less cruel and elitist?
Dump Polloevre, or don't, I'm not Conservative anyways
Ah, but even in that you kind-of are.
Subtle.
Not wanting to vote for any of them doesn't mean I won't vote, I will absolutely vote.
I've liked Trudeau for a long time, I just don't think he's a winner right now. The liberals were the only party that could have gotten Canada through the Trump years, and they did a good job during the pandemic. They're a good steady state party that has done decent foreign policy, and decent economic policy, and they've had a long run.
But on other issues they've been very middle of the road when we have really needed policy change, housing being the biggest one where action was clearly needed 2018, before the pandemic. Adding the mortgage stress test was a good step, but the first time home buyer plan and savings accounts did nothing, all their policy did was push demand without anything robust pushing supply.
I actually like the carbon tax, but I wish they hadn't folded on home hearing oil, they should have managed that better.
Conservatives were supposed to sweep up in France and UK and they both now have left wing parties in charge.
The landscape is pretty different, all the left wing parties formed an alliance and the "centrist" party agreed with them to remove candidates that would split the vote and they only did that for the second turn.
Over here that would involve the Liberals, NDP, Bloc and Greens doing the same thing but we don't have a second turn!
Fair points.
Right now, France doesn't.
Left wing parties made an alliance to defeat the RN but they didn't get the majority, and Macron is trying to find a way to designate a PM from the center
Nanos sees three possibilities to satisfy the appetite for change. Make Pierre Poilievre prime minister. Or retain Justin Trudeau with “new things in the window.” Or switch to a new Liberal leader who is a so-called “blue Liberal” — someone who would take the party back towards the centre, with a more fiscally conservative vision for the country.
What does a blue liberal look like these days?
I don't know. Isn't the colour of the liberal party red, but the current one pretty fucking blue already?
Trudeau's policies were actually a shift left, which is part of why the supply-and-confidence agreement is going so well - there's real overlap with the NDP now.
Moving back right either economically or socially seems tricky. Few voters are excited about reduced social spending, and moving right socially would really anger a lot of the Liberal base. If the change of direction was a stronger defense policy I guess I could get behind that.
The current Liberals are, economically, pretty blue.
"Blue" is just centrist code for "acceptably racist, sexist and homophobic"/
The current Liberals are economically blue compared to what? They're literally implementing NDP policies right now, and the Greens have one seat. Is this a communist thing? Nobody's voting communist.
Similarly, nobody except the right wing of the Conservative party thinks any of those three things are good. Disagreements from the center leftwards are just about how aggressively to beat down those old demons, and at what price.
“The polling reflects name recognition, not their political prospects,” Nanos said. “Almost anyone would be better than Trudeau.”
I wonder if Trudeau really gives a shit about the country, 'cause if he did he'd bow out of the next election.
I don't think there's enough time for the Liberals to seperate themselves from Trudeau at this point. If that was the direction they were going they should have done it a year ago.
Just like Biden would, in the US of A??
Ego's narcissism is .. difficult to resist, the evidence shows, for Grand Poobahs of countries..
Just like Brannigan's Law and Brannigan's Love