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In a video (21 sec), Russian state propagandist Sergei Mardan explains that the main purpose of war is looting of enemy's territories so that "we live better than them".

Then he adds "I think this is the goal of the war as laid by Putin". Note the word "war" is beeped out because in Russian political correctness code it should be called "special military operation".

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[–] RandomStickman@kbin.run 18 points 4 months ago

The irony of the state propagandist not being politically correct

[–] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 18 points 4 months ago

I mean yes it is part of the Russian way of war. After ww2 soviets made agreements about loot, so for example the soviet nuclear bomb program was fueled by uranium from Czechoslovakia.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I mean, without watching the video, and preemptively saying fuck Putin, he's not wrong.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Looting can't coexist with discipline, it makes soldiers ignore objectives and being more interested in how to transfer questionable goods back home. It's suitable for barbaric raids of a hit-and-run nature of the past, but in a long multi-layered offensive it means soldiers on the ground has low morale and act on their own, that renders their part of the front vulnerable. Modern armies make sure their troops have food, fuel and other resources for them not to ask around and be easy targets for a sabotage or just hunger, and looting is even worse than that.

Today, no looted goods can cover the price of the offensive. The land taken is useless if it's underdeveloped or\and littered with mines and metal. Human resources aren't effective as uneducated slaves you can't trust as it was long ago.

Modern warfare is political and economical. Looting is done by making other party depend on you, work for you, without hurting their own productivity. Let them be happy to take loans for your people to build them infrastructure, mines, oil rigs, provide security, pocket their politicians and get on boards of all important corporations. Choke them with a belt to make a road. That's when you order to shoot any individual anachronic looters on sight for they mess with your bigger picture.

Doesn't make it any more ethical, but shows how outdated some doctrines may be.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe in 1637. These days, the Wealth of Nations is no longer primarily derived from things which can be looted.

[–] JayTreeman@fedia.io -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What wealth isn't fundamentally tied to a physical resource?

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A good or service can be tied to a physical resource, but still cannot be easily transferred by simple conquest.

[–] JayTreeman@fedia.io -5 points 4 months ago

A good is fundamentally a physical resource. Every service requires goods.

[–] diablexical@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of knowledge/skill derived wealth - Eg TSMC, aerospace, software.

[–] JayTreeman@fedia.io 0 points 4 months ago

OK. Let's make a rocket ship out of cardboard

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago

Was going to say online data but than realized that ls just soylent green with extra steps

[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Well I mean it is a war crime but also yeah it’s also kind of the point

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And the Geneva Convention is an inconvenience to be instantly discarded... I mean... it's war, amirite? No time for the Geneva Convention!

What a medieval waterless toilet.

[–] Vikthor@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Anders Puck Nielsen released an interresting video, where he argues that warcrimes are rusky way to challenge the current world order.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Is het sanctioned yet. I'd keep a running list of Russians speaking for the war and chuck them on the list. These people are also not Welcome post war.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 1 points 4 months ago

These savages are defending the Russian way of life!