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Hi,

A friend wants to degoogle his phone, so I suggested the OS I'm currently using. The one we can't talk about... He wants a small/compact phone, so I suggested pixel 4a (not buying second hand though), but I'm afraid that planned obsolescence may kill the phone rather soon. What's your opinion?

Cheers and thank you for your help,

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[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Yes, that is too old for a new phone considering it's already past its end-of-life for both official support and your OS. I'm not sure why you'd recommend them to buy new either - a phone like that is only going to be good value if you pick up a used one for cheap. A new model will be massively overpriced for what it is (and may not even be new, just refurbished and repackaged).

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[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What's the OS we can't talk about?

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't talk about Hannah Montana Android.

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[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To be more helpful than the joke comments you've received so far, it's graphene OS that's causing a lot of controversy.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They claim their security measures are better then other custom ROMs.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't they all make that claim?

[–] FutileRecipe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do they all really? I know GrapheneOS does, and I think DivestOS even says "use my OS to stay as up to date as possible, but if you have a current/supported Pixel, use GrapheneOS instead for superior security." But I don't recall other OSes really going "we're more secure than GrapheneOS and here's why."

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hence the controversy! 🙂

Also, Graphene tend to act superior about it and it pisses people off.

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That doesnt sound like a controversy, its bascially "btw, I use arch"

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[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm honestly not quite sure, I just know people are getting riled up when it's mentioned.

[–] fossphi@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It gets people going, (Daniel) 'Mkay?

I stole this from another lemmy comment, please don't come after me

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[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

The open-source one that's so powerful it summons an online fight with at least 50 members if mentioned. It's kinda anomalous so it is recommended not to mention it online until further research.

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[–] Certainly_No_Brit@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Google Pixel 4a is officially end-of-life and doesn't get any software and security updates anymore (https://endoflife.date/pixel).

[–] scrooge101@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

CalyxOS still provides extended support for Pixel 4a until August 2024.

[–] mnmalst@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

FYI: "Extended support" from a custom rom means the OS level software gets updated, not the device firmware. So you still end up with a not fully up to date phone.

Written from my Pxiel 4a. :)

[–] Titou@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The one we can't talk about...

I don't get it ? Why can't we say it's name ?

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[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's a bit too old, if you want to stay in the pixel ecosystem maybe try to grab a 6, 6a or 6 pro. They are around $250, and they are great!

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently got a 6a to replace my iPhone SE for €160 and it's been working great.

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[–] cradac@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

I'm using a 4a right now which I bought last year, refurbished. It's a great phone and has a headphone jack. If you're concerend about updates, install an alternative OS. If you want to degoogle that should be the path anyway.

[–] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

4a is end of life already, so no firmware updates from Google. GrapheneOS has legacy builds available for it but doesn't recommend using them, and they might go away anytime soon

get a used device which is still properly supported, don't buy brand new e-waste

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

You could just jot use Graphene OS. They create ewaste just as much as Android. Lineage OS will run on 8 year old phones.

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[–] eugenia@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

You can install LineageOS or e/OS on it (instead of Graphene, if that's too controversial), and then the 4a is a good phone to use.

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I bought a used Pixel 5 in Feb for my daily driver. Replaced my Pixel 3 only because the power button was flaky. They both still run great. By my standards, getting two years out of a phone I paid $150 for is better than getting three years out of a $700 phone.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have a Pixel 3a, and I love it. I also have a Pixel 4a and love that one too

I bought a Pixel 5a, and hated it. I think the 4a is the best phone on the market right now. Great price, great support in Lineage, and its not too big and heavy.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 1 year ago (26 children)

Depends on your friends threat model, lineage will work on it.

No security updates makes the Pixel 4a a bold choice for your main phone. I don't recommend it

I would follow the graphene OS recommended phone guide, that gives you maximum flexibility to put any operating system you want on the phone.

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[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

It goes for like $80-120 in my country. For the price it's an interesting deal but it's extremely old so GrapheneOS won't support it. I think you can still find something like LineageOS or crDroid but tbh it's too old for a new daily driver. Lack of firmware updates will kill custom ROMs due to incompatibility with new Android versions eventually (and most likely very soon).

Compact phones are dead now and the last ones don't even seem to support degoogled custom ROMs. You're out of lack with that.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

extremely old

Dude it's less than four years old lol I get what you are saying but Q3 2020 is not that long ago.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's extremely old for a new daily driver phone you want to buy and for Android updates.

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[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 5 points 1 year ago

tangential: I‘m using a oneplus 6 with postmarketOS but depending on your friend‘s it skills, it might not be ready for him yet.

So far its very usable but I suggest someone must want to swim against the current and do things differently. One could say a „pioneer“ type would be ideal for this.

[–] AnxiousDuck@feddit.it 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can someone explain to me under what circumstances would using an old phone be risky (under a common reasonable threat model)?

[–] tty5@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No security fixes once the device reaches end of life. For pixel 4a end of security updates was 10 months ago. That mostly is a problem with malicious apps - there were some privilege escalation bugs in those 10 months - but sometimes you get a banger that can get exploited by simply loading a page or opening an image.

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[–] tmpod@lemmy.pt 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

After my 6 year old Redmi 4X's screen touch decided to die, I got an opened-not-used Pixel 4a (in perfect condition) at the end of 2022, because it was one of the few small-ish phones that had good modding support (Pixel phones are ofc known to be very good to degoogle). I love it. Feels good, works well, has a great camera (got a GCam mod too), etc. Only downside is the smaller battery (3100 vs 4100 mAh), but honestly it isn't that big of a deal, I can just carry a powerbank on my backpack or, you know, use my phone less.

Back then, it was the perfect choice for me. Now, I don't know, haven't been keeping up with current models.

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[–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Writing from a 3 years old 4a running CalyxOs: the phone is a perfect choice if you want a small sized phone with a 3.5mm jack and that gets constant updates. The camera might be a little better but I don't take many pictures so I don't mind.

[–] ben_dover@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

the camera is amazing, but you need to use the Google Camera app for it to take advantage of all the Pixel magic. 3rd party camera apps will yield lousy shots comparatively.

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I am far from unbiased as I just switched back to my pixel 4a from my new Sony Xperia. I think the Pixel 4a is a flat out GREAT phone, full stop. It is perfectly sized IMO, has been very reliable, good battery life (though at this point I should look into replacing the battery), and it has a headphone jack. That being said, picking it as a new phone now essentially means going with a custom rom and hoping it stays supported. That's fine and all, but it's not something most people want. Just to be clear, the xperia isn't a bad option per se, I only switched back because the phone came carrier locked when it was supposed to be unlocked and the carrier it was locked to was uncooperative so I refunded it.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Used Pixel 6, 6 Pro, 7 and 7 Pro can be found for reasonable prices these days. One of those in good condition would be a better buy because you'll still get security patches for a while. Last time I looked, the third party OSs for Pixel phones only supported them for as long as Google did.

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[–] Undertaker@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, it is. You should not recommend such a phone. And this only in terms oft update.

The arguments against the company behind this phone would Film books, but that's another point

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