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I've hears stories of some Americans telling other people who are speaking a non-English language "This is America, speak English!" even if the conversation has nothing to do with them. Why do they do this?

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[-] LordSinguloth@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 days ago

Happens in every country and in every nation. This isn't a strictly American issue

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Yep, went to france to learn french, was questioned (by an idiot) why I didn't knew (spoke) french well.

They exist in all countries.

Edit: learn, not kearn...

[-] undrwater@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Don't you DARE speak French in France unless you're a native speaker!

That country is the reverse complaint put forth in this thread.

[-] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

They are ignorant, taught hate, and told incorrectly that English is the official language of the United States, but in reality the United States doesn't have an official language. In fact before WW1 there where so many German speaking Americans that spme cities had German spelled street names, and German festivals.

[-] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

I agree with the first part, but pre WWI was over a hundred years ago. I'm sure there's more relevant and recent examples that could be found to strengthen an argument.

[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 days ago

because racist people are stupid and ignorant

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[-] Drusas@kbin.run 58 points 3 days ago

This is not an American thing. People around the world are biased against immigrants.

[-] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

It's not JUST an American thing. People are biased against outsiders and people that are different.

Ftfy

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[-] jamiehs@lemmy.world 115 points 4 days ago

Because those Americans are entitled, insecure, ignorant, xenophobic assholes.

[-] card797@champserver.net 47 points 4 days ago

Just like any other asshole who gets mad about this. It isn't a uniquely American attitude.

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[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Fear... At the bottom of it is always fear

[-] z00s@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago
[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 days ago

Xenophobia.

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 87 points 4 days ago

It's called xenophobia, the fear and dislike of anything foreign. Some people believe that if your group isn't dominant it will be dominated, and peaceful coexistence isn't possible between different groups.

These people are afraid that, if the English language isn't forced onto other people, one day other people will force a foreign language onto them.

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[-] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 10 points 2 days ago
[-] MadBob@feddit.nl 10 points 2 days ago

I remember smoking outside a pub near Chinatown with a mate something like ten years ago when two Chinese people went by speaking Chinese, and he said "they should be speaking English; this is Britain," so I asked why, and he couldn't explain why. Just on a vague principle.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

This happens in other countries as well. I've been told to speak the local (non-English) language when visiting friends overseas when having a private conversation.

Generally, it seems to be nosy old people who are upset about not being able to eavesdrop

[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 63 points 4 days ago

They are bigoted and racist.

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[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago

We have this reputation here in Quebec to be generally angry at people for being really aggressive with people who are not speaking French when visiting. I've never experienced nor was witness of it, but I believe it when I hear people say they've had issues with some of us Quebs too. We have our fair share of idiots, like most nations.

A different perspective - my grandparents grew up speaking French. Then the state passed a law saying only English in schools when they were young children. They would get hit on the hands with rulers for speaking French.

This was of course passed down to my parents and myself. But my mom still bitches about kids where I currently live being in school and unable to speak English because they’re new immigrants.

She doesn’t see the hypocrisy and it’s sad.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

As a kid I worked fast food for a few years, and there was an "English only" on the line where customers could hear. One of our managers was Mexican, and actually enforced this pretty strongly. He once told us about when he went to a Subway and the staff was speaking what he suspected was Hindi, and explained to us all that yeah, it matters sense, you tend to get upset when you can't understand people. They could be saying anything, making fun of you without your knowing, or whatever.

I tend to just ignore other languages (I'm in Chicagoland, there's plenty of them) and an of the opinion that lack of exposure is one of the root causes of ethnic (and of other kinds of) intolerance. A lot of Americans live in their little rural bubbles where everything is samey and familiar, dealing with their little isolated lives, away from anyone noticably different than themselves. They're tribalistic and comfortable there, and don't like outsiders or change. They vote Republican because "people from the city" are bad, and they're Democrats.

It's not a new problem. The root philosophy in the fucking Bible is that "city people are immoral" because its all passed down by oral tradition, and its oldest stories are descended from periods when its creators were nomadic herders. Hospitality for them vs. urban hospitality are very different, and of course anecdotes get mutated through centuries of the telephone game.

TL;DR, lots of people need to meet more kinda of people and it's been a problem since forever.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 39 points 4 days ago

You will understand why better when you take a look at who they say this to and who they don't.

This is not something that generally happens to white people speaking some French in the US. It does not raise the ire of this psychology. On the other hand, they love to target brown people speaking Spanish (almost exclusively, in fact). There is, naturally, spillover where white people speaking Spanish or brown people speaking Hindi would get targeted.

As others noted, and as these examples suggest, this is an instance of xenophobia and racism. Language is being used as a proxy, really, and provides a way for these people to unleash the frustrations they have been taught, societally, to have against them. Generally speaking, these are people that will call any brown person that speaks Spanish a "Mexican" regardless of their actual place of birth, where they were raised, or ethnic heritage.

But this is just a surfacr-level analysis. The next question is why they are taught to target people with xenophobia and racism. Why are there institutions of white supremacy? Why are their institutions of anti-immigrant sentiment? How are they materially reinforced? Who gains and who loses?

At a deeper level, these social systems are maintained because they are effective forms of marginalization. In the United States, racial marginalization was honed in the context of the creation and maintenance of chattel slavery, beginning, more or less, as a reaction to the multi-racial Bacon's Rebellion. In response, the ruling class introduced racially discriminatory policies so that the rebelling groups were divided by race, with black people receiving the worst treatment and the white people (the label being invented for the purposes of these kinds of policies) being told they would receive a better deal (though it was only marginally so and they were still massively mistreated). This same basic play had been repeated and built upon for hundreds of years in the United States. It was used to maintain chattel slavery, Jim Crow, and modern anti-blackness. It was used to prevent Chinese immigrant laborers from becoming full citizens and becoming a stronger political influence in Western states.

It was and is used to maintain the labor underclass of the United States, which also brings us to xenophobia more specifically. The United States functions by ensuring there is a large pool of exploitable labor in the form of undocumented immigrants. It does this at the behest of the ruling class - the owners of businesses - who have much more power to dictate wages and working conditions when it comes to this labor underclass. They make more money and have more control, basically. But this pissed off and pisses off the labor over class, as they have lost these jobs (or sometimes are merely told they lost them even if they never worked them). To deflect blame away from the ruling class for imposing these working conditions wages, the ruling class instead drives focus against the labor underclass itself, as if working that job for poor pay and bad conditions their fault. This cudgel should remind you of Bacon's Rebellion again: it divides up workers so that rather than struggle together they fight amongst themselves on the basis of race or national origin. The business owners are pleased, having a docile workforce to exploit.

So while racism and xenophobia are themselves horrific and what is behind the "Speak English!' crowd, it is really just an expression of the society created by this system that, by its very nature , pits workers against business owners while giving business owners outsized power (they are the ruling class, after all).

Another important element to this is imperialism and how imperialist countries carefully control immigration (it used to be basically open borders not that long ago). But I'll leave that for any follow-up questions you might have.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Because in America we believe strongly in our rights: specifically the right to tell people they don't have the right to speak any language they want. It's called freedom man!

[-] Hikermick@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Very few people have that opinion.

[-] xorollo@leminal.space 5 points 2 days ago

I thought this first too. But then I remembered an interaction where one colleague of mine told another pair who were speaking another language that "secrets don't make friends" or some such. I think it was intended as a jokey way to express that he was uncomfortable with the conversation that he couldn't understand. He also joked that they were probably talking poorly of him. I noticed this person was normalizing controlling the discussion by throwing negative or secretive intentions onto the others' discussions. In reality, they're just friends discussing something in their primary language.

Anyway, long story long, I don't think this colleague would tell us he has a problem with others speaking a language besides English, but then he'd probably follow that up with a bunch of clarifiers that indicate he does in fact have a problem with it.

[-] Hikermick@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I used to work with Croatians and Slovenians that spoke English fluently but switch to their language abruptly as I was standing there. I thought that rude of them

[-] xorollo@leminal.space 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, pretty rude if they do that to exclude you specifically, for sure. Im sorry you had colleagues do this to you. Work is much better with good people.

[-] Hikermick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Thanks. They were actually great people so I didn't take it too hard

[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 33 points 4 days ago

It's good old-fashioned xenophobia and is by no means unique to Americans or English-speakers even in the modern era. Anyone who has spent enough time in certain parts of France, Italy, or Belgium has probably encountered it at some point.

It's everywhere but it is probably most prevalent in countries with a strong nationalist core and, in my opinion, ironically occurs most often in countries that have really fucked around with having an empire in the last century or so.

[-] Zeke@fedia.io 25 points 3 days ago

They can't be nosey if they can't understand you.

[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

If they're anything like my mother, they automatically assume anyone speaking in any language other than English within earshot of her is shit-talking her, specifically. The thought that someone might be saying something mean-spirited about her is just too much for her tiny brain to handle. If you think she's a bitch, she needs to know. It reeks of desperation and the need to be liked by all people at all times while also doing nothing to bridge that gap yourself.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

This is a myth as far as I know. I’ve never seen it happen.

[-] HUMAN_TRASH@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Some people are shit

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