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I switched to macOS pretty for all my day-to-day, development and work uses, but still have a Ryzem+RTX (I do use Ray tracing features) desktop that I only ever use for gaming anymore.

I play games from Steam, GoG, Epic, and occasionally Xbox Game Pass.

The big problem here is I’m visually impaired and need a desktop environment that will let me consistently use a lime green mouse cursor and zoom in full screen via keyboard and scroll shortcuts.

At the risk of 1) nobody having actual experience and 2) the current Linux distro/DE ecosystem being hopelessly broken, what should I try?

I also only have some 2 hours a week for videogames. I can’t afford the time to tinker, after the transition and setup period.

I’m perfectly happy with “you’re outta luck, buddy, just suffer through Windows,” but I figure it can’t hurt to ask…

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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 40 points 6 months ago

That shouldn't be a problem, both Gnome and KDE gave decent accessibility features as far as I'm aware. Or at the very least, it's got zoom, and the cursor can easily be changed to something of your liking. I think KDE's also got the macOS "shake cursor to make it extra large so you can spot it" available.

I'm more concerned about

I also only have some 2 hours a week for videogames. I can’t afford the time to tinker, after the transition and setup period.

That's not a lot of time, and if you'd rather not spend it tinkering I would stick with Windows.

I would at least make it a dual boot setup, so you can switch between Windows and Linux as needed. Don't have time to tinker? Just do it in Windows until you have time.

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

KDE Plasma is the only desktop with a functional screen reader on Wayland and even then its limited. Other than that, KDE has a magnifying glass setting bound to Super + +/-/0 you can enable.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 months ago

If you really are using your PC exclusively for gaming and do everything else on your Mac, I wouldn't bother.

I'm a fairly big Linux advocate, but when it comes to accessibility, there's still a way to go in Linux. And some form of customization still requires some tinkering. Linux gaming specially isn't yet as seamless and easy as in Windows just yet. But, I really hope this changes one day.

[–] bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

I don't have experience with visual impairment, so take my answer with a grain of salt, however it seems that KDE has all the features you need. Plus it's super customizable, so you could set it up to essentially emulate the MacOS desktop.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In addition to what others are saying, there is a lemmy for people that moved from r/blind: https://rblind.com It has a small number of active users, but perhaps you might get some help there. You could perhaps ask in their main community, !main@rblind.com.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As an r/blind mod and RBlind.com adminI am, in fact, aware of it. Hehehe.

Seriously though, the blind community Linux desktop install base is small and virtually nonexistent for gaming, and I have very simple accessibility requirements, so I figured I’d get better feedback here.

It’s great to know there’s some awareness of the instance around the broader Fediverse!

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm dumb, your account is on that instance 😆

I think here is a good place to ask as well, just wanted to make sure you were aware of that community in case it was helpful.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 12 points 6 months ago

So you just… didn’t see it? Ba-dum-tss. Hehe.

I might cross post there later.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

KDE has a good zoom feature built in, however it keeps the mouse centered which is good for doing precise graphical thing, but maybe not the best for gaming. It's good for reading if you hold your mouse still. You can absolutely find or make a green cursor. Some guy here said gaming on Linux is janky but honestly I've been super impressed for the past year I've used it. I only had one game that wouldn't run out of the box so far and got it running by installing some Microsoft VC runtime or something. Everything else just starts runs without issue. Edit: runs without issue in steam.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Others have already commented on the accessibility stuff, and Xbox game pass.

I'll add that if you do give it a go, I recommend heroic launcher for managing Epic and GOG games.

It is able to handle installation, as well as running stuff with the wine/proton compatibility layer, for games that need it.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

It is! Heads up on a known bug tho, which will already be fixed in the next release. GOG games can show up as "not installable" for seemingly no reason preventing them from being installed.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As someone who recently switched to Linux and doesn't like to tinker much and doesn't have very deep knowledge of Linux, I'll share my experience. Whether you ultimately try or not is up to you.

Your requirements for accessibility suggests you should look into a distro with KDE Plasma as many said already. It is an extremely flexible and customizable DE.

I personally started with Mint and ended up somewhat wedging KDE in it because I didn't like how cinnamon was handling multiple monitors. It worked but was a little rough around the edges in that setup, as it should be expected with a distro running a DE it wasn't meant to. If you don't mess with the DE however I've found Mint to be super easy and approachable. But ultimately it might not be what you need.

After doing a lot of research and comparisons I then switched to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with native KDE plasma. A few things took a little extra tinkering and learning to get them to work but after that it became the setup I am happy to stick with for a long while.

I have no experience with them but KUbuntu and Fedora Plasma Spin might be also good alternatives to look for.

Running games is very easy through stream and still relatively easy with Bottles, which is rather easy and straightforward to lean to use. As long as you have the right video drivers installed. I have an NVidia card which made it a little more complicated but I made it work still. My understanding is that this shouldn't be any issues with AMD cards right out of the box.

Ultimately it will require you to learn a little here and there whenever you come across something you don't know. But as someone who only has an extremely shallow understanding of how the OS works and basic common console commands I have found no problem so complicated that I couldn't handle with a quick web search.

[–] TeryVeneno@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

Despite many people in this thread saying KDE, GNOME has been recently been financed to work on accessibility with the STF fund contract work, so major advancements in accessibility are likely to hit them first. They are also looking into getting more contract financing for it. KDE might be fairly equal right now, but I foresee GNOME getting more stuff sooner. Especially in regards to screen readers and just general app accessibility with changes to Libadwaita.

[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

KDE offers full screen zoom out of the box with Windows Key+ and Windows Key-
It also lets you choose a huge green cursor.
Gnome doesn't have either of this, and don't even bother looking at any other DEs. In general, accessibility on Linux is really, really, really not great.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Good to know. Yeah, I wouldn’t even entertain this idea if I needed a screen reader full time.

[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, actually both Gnome and KDE include screen readers.
In Ubuntu, activation of the screen reader is the very first step in the installation.
But they only really work for the English language.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I know they do, the app accessibility support is just unacceptably bad. Orca is also known for crashing - not that hardcore Linux users aren’t used to losing their interface all of a sudden, hehe.

[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Back in the old days I fixed an error by editing Xorg.conf blindly, because the error caused a black screen after booting.
Some config errors could actually damage or destroy your hardware.
I don't miss those days.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 3 points 6 months ago

Hahaha. I find that kinda thing incredibly fun. I once had to fix my soft-bricked Android phone in a hotel in a foreign country with no other connected devices around. That’ll teach me to run nightly builds!

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 4 points 6 months ago

I totally can't help with the visual impairment, and I'm sorry about that. My sister is mostly blind, but not a gamer.

I have been able to play Steam games on Ubuntu and thus far haven't had any problems, but I haven't stressed my system with AAA games, either, because I typically play those on console. That's all I've got, sorry. Good luck!

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

A distribution revolving around KDE might have what you are looking for.

Yet, in this particular situation, you might be better off using Windows if it only revolves around gaming.

Sometimes, it is better to take the path of least resistance.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'd recommend Ubuntu mostly because it's going to be the easiest to get working. I recently started playing with Proton on Ubuntu, and it was surprisingly painless. There's been a lot of improvement over the past few years.

Take a look at https://www.protondb.com/ and search for your games. It'll let you know how difficult they are to get working and give you tips on helping them run.

Here's the visual impairments page for stock Ubuntu:

https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y.html.en#vision

There's stock magnifier support. It's not great to be honest, but it does allow you to enable crosshairs that will make it easy to find your cursor.

A little more searching found Magnus which might be a better option.

It's also pretty trivial to install gnome tweaks https://itsfoss.com/gnome-tweak-tool/ and install custom theme elements like high contrast icons and cursors that can help.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 5 points 6 months ago

Ubuntu is actually particularly terrible: Snap packages (general controversy aside) theme the cursor, so my mouse kinda disappears into them. It’s nice to know people are making alternative magnifiers though - that one doesn’t work for me because I need full screen zoom, but it may be handy for others.

Thanks for reminding me of ProtonDB, that’ll be a good tool to evaluate this possible move.

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, if you don’t have the time to tinker and learn the system you’d probably have a pretty bad time with Linux.

Pretty much regardless of distro or DE, you are going to find games that either outright will fail to run or will require some tinkering and additional troubleshooting on your part to get them to run. Nvidia GPU support, while improving, is still pretty lackluster. Especially if you want things like raytracing or DLSS.

Also, it’ll be an entirely new OS, with its own learning curve just to figure out how to do basic things.

If you only have two hours a week to game and you want to be able to just jump into a game, know that it’s going to work, and not worry about it, I wouldn’t even say stick with Windows. I’d say stick with game consoles. All of the current gen consoles have some pretty good accessibility features for people who visually impaired.

All of that said, if you still wanted to try out a Linux distro, since your main focus is gaming, I’d recommend Bazzite. It’s generally pretty stable, is very easy to rollback if an update breaks something, and has a version that is preconfigured for nvidia gpus. In its installer you can choose your DE, I’d say go with KDE, since it has all of the accessibility features you listed, you’d just need to enable them in settings.

[–] MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I really should have mentioned I’ve used Linux a fair bit, including desktop. Just not in a few years and never for gaming.

Is ray tracing hit or miss or would it be best to forget about it?

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I haven't tried any RT stuff on linux since the 30 series launched and then it was very hit or miss, a cursory google search makes it sound like things have improved substantially though.

[–] Toes@ani.social -2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

As much as I want to speak in favour of Linux.

It's just not ready for this situation combined with gaming. Currently you're required to tinker with each game to get them to work well. I'd suggest revisiting this in ten years.

Many games do work out of the box on steam. However, features like ray tracing and HDR can be touchy. And I'm not confident screen reader software will play nicely.

Epic Games and Game Pass do not work without much tinkering (The game pass streaming feature might work well but I've not tried it myself.) and you'll likely need to stay on top of that as each update could potentially break it.

Outside of games it's ready for a wide spectrum of accessibility needs and could potentially be a better experience than windows.

[–] gila@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Xcloud streaming does indeed work very well via Greenlight. I'm also using GeForce Now combined with PC game pass via gfn-electron so I can play Diablo. Very happy with it. On debian bookworm btw

[–] fluckx@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Huh. I hadn't heard of greenlight yet. Thanks!

[–] Stormrvr@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Currently you're required to tinker with each game to get them to work well. I'd suggest revisiting this in ten years.

Yeah, this is flat out not true. I play many games on my system that I just hit the launch button on. As one other person said you only need to make sure that Steam Play is enabled first. This is even on an nvidia gpu based system. Not to say that EVERY game is going to work out of the box, but to say that they all need to be tinkered with is just wrong.

[–] Toes@ani.social 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you continue to read what I said I explained my point that games do tend to work out of the box on steam. But OP was asking about multiple platforms and I have no way to know which games op intends to play. So the experience will vary from user to user.

[–] Stormrvr@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Ok fair enough - however if you in one moment say :

Currently you're required to tinker with each game to get them to work well. I'd suggest revisiting this in ten years.

And then in another you say :

Many games do work out of the box on steam.

Kinda sends mixed messages don't you think?