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Tried Andor after taking a break from Star Wars and realized that the galaxy where politics is determined by magic laser sword people now wants to be serious. (lemmy.world)
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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 42 points 9 months ago

I remember when discussing Rogue One with my mother (who is not a big Star Wars fan), I mentioned that many felt it was out of place in the series, because it was unusually dark. To which my mother opined that the series was always dark.

In discussing it, it... honestly is. We fans sometimes overlook it, because the Original Trilogy is so triumphant in tone and grand in scale, and the Prequel Trilogy is... plagued with other problems... but Star Wars is dark in a way that original fairy tales are dark.

[-] MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 33 points 9 months ago

An entire civilization is exterminated in the first half hour.

[-] SmoothOperator@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

And Han is explicitly tortured, with Leia both tortured and enslaved. It's pretty grim.

[-] nitefox@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

2 millions troopers died on Death Star!

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

That halo explosion in the remastered version? Entirely made out of people.

[-] nitefox@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Stormtroopers are robots!

Jokes aside, you don’t have to have everything explained to understand something. Yes, they didn’t show the bodies but you with a little use from logic you can see that Leia complaining about her pacific, weaponless planet being blown means it’s not desert. Same goes for the Death Star on which you see there are people until a few seconds later where it blows up. Same goes for everything.

Sure, maybe a kid won’t pick it up but that doesn’t mean Star Wars was light hearted in the OT

[-] Redditiscancer789@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's only eye revealing if you literally aren't paying attention. Vader straight up chokes and breaks the neck of an officer, killing him, that he's interrogating on the rebel blockade runner in the first 10 minutes. Stormtroopers destroy and burn uncle owens farm and leaves his and his wife's corpses out in the open after burning them down to the skeletons. Han shooting first, Alderran is genocided by the death star, princess Leia is tortured, albeit it off screen, we get the scene of the interrogation droid with all his "toys" floating towards her before the door closes. All the pilots die including lukes best friend biggs fighting the death star except wedge luke and a few y wings, It's never been a "kids" story till arguably the prequels when Lucas secured rights to toys and went on to push story elements that could be made into toys to sell.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

It's always been a kid's story, they just used to be able to get away with darker stuff a lot of the time, and I miss that in a lot of modern kid/family media. There's still stuff for adults, but it feels like a lot of darker themes are toned down, though there's some exceptions Steven Universe having themed of rape and abuse with Lapis and Jasper, or the few kids action shows/movies that still have characters die, even if they're just goons. It's not like all kids media sucks now or anything, it's just harder to get away with rougher themes and more action without getting a PG-13/TV-14 rating

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 33 points 9 months ago

Andor is probably the best star wars they've done. It has flaws, but it's so much better than Obi-Wan and Ashoka.

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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

The best part of Andor is that we know nothing any of them do will ever have any impact at all.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Stealing the plans to the Death Star so the rebellions new wizard wonder boy can one shot the thing has no impact?

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Shame about Manny Bothans though, really starting to like that character

[-] marcos@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

Well, that's not in the series, is it?

The series is about those people coming together, fighting for years, dying like flies, and achieving nothing at all.

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago
  • Stole from the Empire emboldening further rebellion while funding it.
  • Lead a prison break, setting back the construction of the Death Star.
  • Inspired a city to revolt against occupation.

achieving nothing at all.

[-] Maolmi@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

It is exactly what someone who grown up in the empire would say...

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Just like the rest of us!

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 points 9 months ago

It is just more a function of having to explain more because there is more to explain. The original trilogy feels lived in, but they only explain a small part of it because they don't have to. Eventually, you get enough world building that you have to start explaining the smaller bits.

And since the Star Wars universe has more stories including those with non-Jedi, it means having to create smaller enemies that the heroes can fight against.

[-] guacupado@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Star Wars is one of those situations where it gets worse the more you learn about it. The original trilogy set off a trend but we see where it's now at. Kind of like watching Lost.

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[-] freamon@endlesstalk.org 7 points 9 months ago

Hopefully Luthen gets his magic laser sword working for season 2

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[-] CarlsIII@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

You weren’t reminded of a disturbed magic space clown every time they said “the emperor” or “papaltine”?

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

There's nothing wrong with wanting a fantasy setting to adopt a more adult tone and intention. Having more complex plots and dialogue. I think a of of the people liking Andor are in that category. They want to see Star Wars grow up and put behind the camp and cheery kid show shit.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I want more Christmas Specials and Ewoks. I want Star Wars to embrace the camp and cheery kid show shit. I am getting so god damn sick of all the dark, super serious stuff across every genre of media that's been trending for over a decade now.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I guess, and this is going to go down as well as most things I've said in this thread, it just seems childish. "I want my childhood stuff to grow up with me and become adult just like me!"

Beyond that, Star Wars is a goofy universe and doesn't super hold up when you try to take it seriously. (They have robots who are inexplicably terrible shots? They can move things at faster than light but only just realized that means you can fly a ship, or even just a cement block with jets, through another? Robots exist and are cheap but human manual labour seems preferable for no discernible reason?) And if you strip away the goofy fun, you're just left with Star Wars minus the Star Wars elements.

There are MANY good sci fi universes where complex plots, moral dilemmas and good dialogue exist. Those universes have been crafted to make it all work.

[-] Amazed@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I’m all for variety. But honestly Marvel got the kids. Let Star Wars shift to the generations that grew up on it so they can get good writing again, and maybe R rated Vader.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Honestly I was very surprised by the success of Andor, as I really thought the early reviews back when the show only had a couple of episodes really nailed it's with the criticism of the show is slow, boring, and not Star Wars.

It doesn't even pretend to be anything resembling what I know is Star Wars until the Prison Arc and by then I'm too burned out on the terrible Heist to care.

Clearly the show has an audience, I will never understand why, and it's not like I can't handle a show with a slow burn. It's just Andor feels less like a slow burn and more like trying to keep warm with a single match during a blizzard.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

From what I've gathered in this thread these are wrong thoughts so watch out! (Even though I'm inclined to believe you.)

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I was crucified so hard back on Reddit for saying this, that I loaded up Lego star wars, and set up Andor as the P2 character and just kept killing him for twenty minutes.

I don't even hate the show. I just hate all the people trying to Gaslight me into believing that I'm some kind of moron who is incapable of understanding the Brilliance of the show when in reality I understand "Empire Bad" just fine.. and also it's not exactly new information... I merely find it incredibly boring. I don't respect the show enough to hate it.

By that I mean it doesn't stir half emotions within me for me to even bother thinking about it beyond my initial impression.

Meanwhile I can tell you on every level how book of Boba Fett was a grand disappointment that served no purpose outside of assassinating the character of Boba Fett and hyping up the third season to a show that ironically I didn't watch because of how bad book of Boba Fett butchered every character not nicknamed Mando.

As for Andor, it's not even bad.

I don't mean that it's not bad, it's that I can't give an opinion on the show that doesn't also apply to watching paint dry, because that is also defined by the three fundemental remarks slow, boring, and not Star Wars.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

set up Andor as the P2 character and just kept killing him for twenty minutes.

Ahahaha

As for Andor, it's not even bad. I don't mean that it's not bad, it's that I can't give an opinion on the show that doesn't also apply to watching paint dry, because that is also defined by the three fundemental remarks slow, boring, and not Star Wars.

Brutal! But, based on the handful of episodes I watched, on point. Just such a weird choice. "You know that universe, famous for laser sword fights, exciting space battles and dialogue that winks at the camera? Let's strip out all that joy and make a not particularly well written serious drama there!"

I basically agree with you on Boba Fett but I have to admit, getting super baked and (spoilers) watching him destroy stuff while riding a goddamn rancor was like watching my childhood sandbox dreams come to life.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Brutal! But, based on the handful of episodes I watched, on point. Just such a weird choice. “You know that universe, famous for laser sword fights, exciting space battles and dialogue that winks at the camera? Let’s strip out all that joy and make a not particularly well written serious drama there!”

I get the feeling this was written by a guy who really wished he was writing a Game of Thrones knock-off, but somehow failed upward and now he has to do that beloved franchise that prints money... Apparently in interviews he admitted to not liking Star Wars.... Given how long it took for Stormtroopers to show up instead of "Guys in generic military uniforms", I could kind of tell.

Launchs my friend, you're kind of alright.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Apparently in interviews he admitted to not liking Star Wars....

Ballsy thing to admit but you're right, that absolutely tracks.

Launchs my friend, you're kind of alright.

Awww, thanks, right back atchya Queen!

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