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[–] mihnt@lemmy.ca 158 points 8 months ago (8 children)

it's gross and I hate it and stop it right now

I'm going to say it before anyone else does.

Linux.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 73 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Damnit, I came in here to post:

And the wind... whispers... Linux

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[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

As much as i agree, the vast majority of people will just continue using what they had before, and still complain about how nothing works

[–] mihnt@lemmy.ca 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I agree. I did however manage to talk my mom into letting me put Mint on her PC and she hasn't complained even once. Small victories.

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[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

and the vast majority of Linux Devs will just continue building what they were building before, and still complain how windows users dont migrate to Linux (cough usability cough)

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

If linux came preinstalled by default and vendor supported, regular people would use linux as well. Usability is actually pretty good these days, arguably higher than Windows since you don’t have to deal with this BS.

Yes, you can buy Dell laptops with Ubuntu preinstalled and supported, maybe Lenovos, not sure, but it's not the default, available only on custom builds online and on business (expensive) laptops, so most regular people don't bother.

Edit: well, there's the SteamDeck as an example of mainstream vendor supported system with linux, I guess. Some people go through the trouble of installing Windows on it, but most people don't bother and stick to what it came with.

[–] BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The Steam Deck is the best thing to happen to Linux since... Linux. It's the first time average tech illiterate folks have gotten a taste of Linux on their own systems, and it's driven the development of compatibility tools (Proton) to a hitherto-unheard-of degree.

It convinced me to switch to Linux.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This. People buy hardware and use whatever comes with it.

This is why and how ChromeOS became used. Google didn't just put it on a website, they got manufacturers to make products with it.

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[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is an unpopular opinion every time I bring it up. Usability and consistency sucks in Linux. There are just so many basic things that will frustrate users coming from Windows. I can't even get my laptop (Framework 13) to sleep properly. Then there are is still a ton where you have to use the command line to get it done. A user shouldn't have to go into the command line to get their fingerprint reader to work because the GUI doesn't work properly.

The only thing that actually makes Linux practical for average users these days is that most everything is now web based by default so most users only interact with a couple programs for most of their day.

The Linux community really needs to get some UX experts in their projects and actually make an effort to improve usability rather than just doing it the way they like to do it.

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[–] realitista@lemm.ee 90 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I'm only in if it comes with a Clippy skin.

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[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 58 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Perhaps I'm just brain dead, I've been accused of it often enough, but I can't figure out what the stupid thing is good for.

[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That depends; do you mean good for the user, or good for the company? 😉

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[–] menemen@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I don't really like it, but it can defintly be used as a dumb assistant. E.g. if you want to write an email or a small script to analyze some data, you can tell it what you need, specify the details, take the results, correct them and then use the results. You still have to do much of the work, but if you do it correctly you'll save time. BUT: It'll save all of that. Don't do this with sensitive data and don't do this for work without official permission of the employer.

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[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 49 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I've only been using Linux for a few days. Am I allowed to have a superiority complex yet?

[–] RalfWausE@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Nah, Linux is too mainstream, its more like a soft drug.

If you want the REAL GOOD STUFF you need to daily drive 9Front.

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[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)
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[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hello and welcome to the Linux club! Remember to always mention Linux as your OS as much as you can and add "btw".

I run Arch btw.

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

When did Microsoft forget how to do stuff? No one ever said: Wow! I really, really like being forced to use something! My reaction to being forced to use it didn't instantly diminish my desire to use this product!

Even IF their product is good, they crush my desire to try it with shit like this.

[–] summerof69@lemm.ee 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Ultimately, most people stay with the default option, that's why they have to be aggressive. Look at the amount of screenshots even in advanced PC communities with ugly useless search bar enabled, which is taking 1/3 of the taskbar. I'm not even speaking about casual users who have no idea that it can be disabled.

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[–] blssflbreeze@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (3 children)

classic microsoft, shoving things down users' throats without consent.

[–] exanime@lemmy.today 27 points 8 months ago

How else could they ever claim the millions in "adoption" of their products?

It would be the year of Linux on desktop tomorrow if ever known brand of PC came with it preinstalled

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[–] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

I do think that microsoft copilot is good enough for alot of people. I really like it, much more than chat gpt. And that they give you "GPT 4" for free which is cool

Would I love it being forced? No

They will create the same situation as Ubuntu Snap. Is Snap bad? Actually not. Is everything else regarding Snap like Snap Store or the fact that they force it down your throat good? No

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Copilot likes you back! Actually it has fallen in love with you. Now it downloads automatically wherever you go. Even in the shower when you're pretending to not touch yourself. Oh it knows everything! C'mon think about purchasing someth...too late! It's already delivered! Pilot cancelled your meeting with Stacy Fredrickson. It's jealous of her. But don't worry because pilot can have any boob size you prefer. In fact pilot is any ethnicity you are attracted to and is waiting for you in bed right now. Just pick up the various items from the porch to make a sensitive feedback gizmo so you can pilot can be together foreve...30 years or so per the contract. Anyway, Microsoft is proud to present pilot. Pilot would like you to please call her Jessica. And if you use your last name with her, she will get you optimized seating and personalized flight paths.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

And I notice that after today/yesterday's update, my Win11 machine "helpfully" put a Copilot icon in my taskbar without asking me. Thanks?

I poleaxed it in the registry. Yes, I saw the toggle in taskbar settings. No, I don't care. Disable that shit. Get it off my computer.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if Microsoft will get the point if people keep asking it "Can I use msconfig to disable copilot?"

msconfig for those unaware:

https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-11-open-msconfig/

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[–] redeyejedi@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (9 children)

It already does on my laptop. They also keep setting my default browser back to Edge. I don't use my laptop much anymore and keeping up with the BS of having to disable stuff I don't want running has become tiresome to the point where I don't even want to use it.

I know, I know, something something install Linux! Question I have there is my laptop is a gaming laptop so my question to all you Linux folks is. Can I continue to game using Linux. Will it work with my Nvidia Graphics card and Steam. If so I might consider it.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 8 months ago

Yes you can game on Linux. Lookup your games on ProtonDB to see if they are all compatible. Most games run fine unless they have kernel level anticheat that stops them from running. On Steam, you just have to enable Proton and windows games will install normally.

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Ppl tend to sugarcoat Linux to new users, so let me make a reality check: gaming is possible on Linux, but in a limited sense, and it might cost time and sanity.

Some games work natively, some need a workaround, some require you to craft your own solution, and some straight up won't.

The percentages shift, where there's slightly more games working natively or requiring a basic workaround, but the baseline is the same.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I dont have a windows machine, i game exclusively on linux and its got to the point where i just buy games on steam and assume they will work fine through proton. I honestly cant remember the last one that didnt. Shit i got the c&c collection on steam recently hopping to play generals with a friend, but while it works fine for me on linux its broken for him on windows.

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[–] taggart_mccallister@lemm.ee 34 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Hey has anyone mentioned LiNuX yet??

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Only way to avoid this shit at this point.

Or use a 20 year old unsupported version of windows?

[–] qqq@programming.dev 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All my homies use TempleOS

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It just suddenly appeared yesterday on my daughter's Windows 10 notebook. We played with it for like 2 minutes, decided it sucked, never went back. I mean what's the point of an AI which, when asked, "draw a picture of how stupid you are" (my daughter's idea) ends the conversation?

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[–] GaimDS@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Recently I changed to Linux (running fedora) and I haven't looked back since. Fuck Windows

[–] PostProcess@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not ANOTHER thing I need to disable when I do a clean install...

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

May as well add it to the .reg file you cart around on your thumb drive. I have one that already disables all the Windows "consumer features" and turns off all the lock screen nags, Cortana (this is no longer relevant, though), etc.

It's in:

HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot

And also:

HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot

In both locations, create a DWORD "TurnOffWindowsCopilot" and set it to 1. Reboot.

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[–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (27 children)

Debian + KDE Plasma, folks.

Believe me, you don’t need Windows.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Didn't they already do this? I thought I remember after a Windows 11 update a couple of months ago I had that copilot shit on the taskbar and auto-enabled.

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[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't know what to think about the rushed inclusion of Copilot. It's so very very flawed.

The only thing I can think of is that users are training it by using it and therefore Microsoft is getting free labor from you (as well as search/advertising revenue through their lock screens, dynamic as based backgrounds, live tiles, etc).

I think we're the product here guys.

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[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It looks like Microsoft try to do everything to be hated.

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[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I think AI is cool, but I hate seeing it forced on everyone. I also hate programs trying to run on startup without me explicitly saying so (cough Discord Teams Spotify Steam Teams MuseHub Teams Slack cough)

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I figured it already was on 11 since they've added it to 10 also recently. You can at least turn it off pretty easily in 10 (though IDK if that's just because I have Pro; didn't need to use the GPM so I assume Home can disable it too).

Could you, like... Disable TPM in the BIOS and just go back to 10? The only reason it hasn't auto-updated to 11 for me is because I never enabled TPM in my BIOS. And I don't plan on doing so, either.

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[–] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 9 points 8 months ago

Today I installed arch on my dad's computer. he can't use one,but it's a win nonetheless.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

I assume Copilot is emanating an ear piercing sound as it escapes the confines of her laptop in that thumbnail art.

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