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New study shows that the default apps collect data even when supposedly disabled, and this is hard to switch off

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 34 points 7 months ago

but but the apple fanboys told me apple's proprietary ecosystem is somehow not a privacy nightmare!

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 33 points 7 months ago

Wow, how incredibly annoying. They discuss “the proper way” to protect your privacy throughout the entire article, clearly making it known that the researchers had the process and we’re seeing if people could figure it out and then…they don’t share it.

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

*privacy from everyone except us, which conveniently makes our ad revenue line go up.

[–] barbara@lemmy.ml 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Thanks to grapheneos, I don't have to worry about such things 🥳

[–] huginn@feddit.it 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

GrapheneOS + Linux Is the only way to truly have digital privacy.

Most people think iPhone + Mac is. So, so wrong.

[–] hackris@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago (5 children)

What do you think about Pinephones? I'm thinking about buying one as my next phone.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 11 points 7 months ago

Pine phones have privacy but not functionality unfortunately.

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago

Maybe not quite ready for the general public yet, but I hear PureOS runs quite nicely and, if you can make it work, it could be a good idea.

[–] hash0772@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago

AFAIK they're pretty slow and they have really bad battery lifes. I wouldn't buy one just yet.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

Low performance

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Google services are unfortunately pretty important to most users day to day life. I have tried degoogled android but have always come back to graphene.

[–] Dupree878@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I stopped using google completely several years ago. I deleted my accounts and information. I created a burner for YouTube since there’s no other option but otherwise I refuse any google software (and I use iOS).

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Then apple is just collecting your data instead of google, they just give an illusion of better privacy. Both make most of their money from advertising.

[–] Dupree878@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Apple doesn’t sell my data and information to third parties.

I don’t see how they have much ad revenue, because none of the Apple apps have ads

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

There are definitely ad supported apps on iOS, they also control the core of all browsers on iOS. Neither Apple or Google really sell data externally, they serve ads to their audience using algorithms trained off vast quantities of user data. Selling the raw data is a bad way to do it because you don't have control over it after the first sale. Keeping it internal and selling your services is a much more lucrative way to do it if you have a big enough platform. Chromium is google's way to spy on you online and serve ads, webkit is apple's. Google allows non chromium browsers on android but apple requires that all iOS browsers are basically just a reskinned safari.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How is degoogled Android?

I have a spare phone I could try to degoogle but I keep thinking how many apps require GSF and I don't think I'd get very far like that.

[–] Thetimefarm@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago

It feels fine, if you don't use google apps you wouldn't notice a difference. But the last time I seriously tried using it as a daily driver was probably three years ago though. MicroG is ok but just can't compare to the sandboxed gapps in graphene when it comes to compatibility.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If only GrapheneOS were available on more devices than just the Pixel

[–] barbara@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago
[–] dezvous@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Pixel phones completely stock are a privacy nightmare, but are ironically the most secure phones on a hardware level, which is why GrapheneOS devs chose them.

[–] supangle@lemmy.wtf 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

people don't even think about apple, when talking about data privacy. they look google, amazon and facebook differently than apple.

i'm using an iphone and i had to pay for icloud storage for like a year or two. than, i bought a pc with 2tb ssd and wanted to download all of my data from icloud and delete my subscription. downloading was no problem since you can request all of your data, problem was my 128gb data was not sorted and i had to delete all of my photos by hand from icloud.

i'm thinking about buying a google pixel 7a, since it's cheap and i don't need much more, and use graphene os with it. i can return my iphone when purchasing and 7a is gonna cost something like €100-200

[–] rasakaf679@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

I wanted to transfer video from an iPhone to PC. I usually back-up my Android device which has neat file structure and folder names. Viola iPhone folder naming is shit. I had to use "modified by time" to get the thing i wanted. There were so many folders with numbers.

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is this process different than any other commercial operating system, whether on phone, tablet, or PC?

[–] Dupree878@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Yes. Apple doesn’t sell the data