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[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 58 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The power a government has over you, and the power your employer has over you, are totally different.

The government is legally authorized to separate you from your possessions, your freedom, and even your life in extremis. Your boss can't do any of that and if they try the government should stop them.

Some people believe democracy is what prevents the government from punishing you capriciously, or allowing corporations to just do whatever they want to you. So they are willing to die to defend it.

I would say traditional liberal ideals are closer to what they'd want to defend than democracy itself, and I don't 100% agree in either case, but I can see the point of view.

[–] RubiksIsocahedron@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your boss can’t do any of that and if they try the government should stop them.

They should, but they don't. Over here in real life, the government works for the corporation. When the boss murders, he's called an "innovator" and a "job creator".

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If you think your boss can just murder you I'm not sure what to tell you.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Take out a gun and shoot you on the factory floor, probably not. But deliberately and systematically violate safety regulations with impunity, expose workers to materials known to cause health issues and cover it up for decades, or just threaten you with loss of the income you need to survive? Employers do that all over the country, on a daily basis.

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is true. On the other hand, it is the government's job to uncover and persecute this. Obviously it could do a better job of it, but OSHA and the EPA actually do police employers for exactly these sorts of violations.

Yeah if departments like OSHA and the EPA didn't enforce safety laws and shit there would be a lot more industrial death videos on LiveLeak than there is now

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a person with family living under an actual dictatorship, I’d like to point out some differences.

You can leave a job. You’re generally not killed for poor performance at a job.

I’ll stop there. I think that’s enough to shatter this very poor comparison.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

You can leave a job

This is true for most people, but not all. Of course not being able to do so would constitute a form of slavery, but that is just the reality for a lot of people and I think if we are honest about the world we should admit that. Do agree softly on not downplaying political dictatorships though.

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[–] tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not sure I'd die for democracy.. it's a popularity contest where 80 year old millionaires compete to see who looks best in a suit.

Freedom, sure. But that's not the same thing.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago

You're describing a representational democracy. What do you think about direct democracy?

That's elections, democracy is a system of government by consent

But I agree with the current state of US and UK politics, 2 party systems are only better because a 1 party system is even worse

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You think working for a corporation is the same as living under a dictatorship?

[–] Taco2112@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, this thought is someone trying to compare apples to oranges.

Then there’s the throw away comment of how you barely know anyone there, that’s a personal thing. I work for a small company now but I used to work for a hospital with over 2,000 employees, I didn’t know most of them but I knew the 100 or so people I interacted with pretty well and did things outside of work with many of them on more than one occasion.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As I walk through the front door of my air-conditioned office building and say hello to the receptionist I can't help but feel this is just what it was like living under Marcos or Pinochet.

/s

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[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

To the level that the corporation has control over your life, yeah. What do you think banana republics are? The more the company can control your life, the more its undemocratic nature becomes apparent. Working for a small company in a competitive market might not look like a company town, but it has the same fundamental structure as one. The main difference is that the small company has to offer a good deal to their employees compared to competitors. If the company is the only hirer in town, then they'll suddenly not have as much motivation to treat you well. If they control the housing, means of travel, and cops as well, you're basically enslaved.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I have a problem with the willingly in this thought.

The issue is that people are pretty unwilling to be homeless or starve if there's an alternative (no matter how terrible).

Working is the worst way to prevent yourself from starvation and homelessness except for all of the others.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But we don't need to accept a dictatorship to work. We should be working towards democratizing the workplace, forming unions, and creating worker owned businesses.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lots of people are not willing to die for democracy, some even fight against it out of ignorance or powerlust.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago (36 children)

That's not what dictatorship means

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Workplaces are structured without democracy by default, and adding democracy can be helpful to workplace problems.

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[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The overlap of people willing to let themselves be beat down and exploited at work, and the people that would actually fight and die for democracy is slim to none.

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's... not weird at all. Democracy is a form of governance that permeates all our lives and controls the state that has a monopoly of violence that can be used against us and take away our rights. It's not something we can opt-out of so it's important that everyone has a say in it.

Small groups forming to do things like commerce or non-profits or whatever are completely voluntary and can't take our rights away. The fact is, these authoritarian-like structures are efficient and effective. Even employee-owned corporations tend to organize this way by electing the officers.

Would love to see more companies experiment with democratic organizations though.

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.

-George Patton

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We have a choice not to work?

[–] tron@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Choosing death by starvation is not a choice. Work or die, slave.

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[–] variants@possumpat.io 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sure, just sign up to like 10 credit cards, max them out getting good reliable camping equipment, and take a large loan out for one of those survival vans and flea the country

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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On which border is it common to cross from a democracy to a dictatorship for work?

[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I think the idea is that most workplaces are dictatorships

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Careful you might start thinking about democratizing the workplace. If you start doing that you might wind up one of us filthy syndicalists

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[–] superkret@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago

I'm not prepared to die for democracy.
I'd rather live my life.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Frankly, I'm a coward. There's very little I'd be willing to die for and democracy certainly isn't one of those things.

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[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

You can go to work for yourself, you can’t fork your own country.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I worked for a cooperative once. It had its upsides. But it eventually lost steam because of the diffusion of responsibility. At its peak it had a strong core council of 5-7 official members looking after it and it flourished. But it was somewhat of a labor of love and over time they had kids, moved away, etc and eventually there just weren’t enough committed core people to keep it going.

A small business generally has one person who is ready to do absolutely whatever it takes to make it a success. This can be game changing. All their skin is in the game. If they have to skip a paycheck they do. If they have to work all night they do.

You know, a dictator, as you call them -_-

[–] markr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The dominant cultural ideology blinds us to the obvious contradictions.

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