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This plane has been flying for 20+ years before it ran into an issue. This is not a Boeing problem. It's a maintenance issue with United.
You drive your car for 20 years and your brakes fail, it's not Honda's fault that you weren't doing the maintenance on it.
It’s not even really a maintenance issue. This kind of thing happens all the time.
If it were not a Boeing and United thing, it would have never made the news.
If it was Boeing then it would also affect much more companies who use their planes but I just keep seeing United here, United there.
Agree. It could also be any other nature of emergency.
It wasn't anything super major to divert for an hour and then land.
Most of the ‘Boeing things’ we’ve been hearing about have been maintenance issues. Even the initial blowout was a mix of Boeing and maintenance.
Exactly. I flew the 777 for a living. It's a tank. Extremely reliable, flies like a dream, plenty of power. I haven't flown the new generation 777 though and you can bet it's not as safe. Nothing Boeing makes now is.
I used to be a "if it's not Boeing I'm not going" pilot. I feel stupid now.
Airlines suffer the exact same problem. Greed. Boeing doesn't make the engines. GE does (or Pratt and Whitney). They are very reliable engines too. If they start failing in a specific airline, it's a maintenance problem.
Edit: also as comments started, this could be nothing but normal issues, haven't read the article. I stopped reading at "engine issues, including tyre falling off..." What??
By "new generation", do you mean the 777X? Boeing's production seems to have throttled down on it for a while now. I'm guessing they're pushing the 787 over it from what I can tell.
Yeah the 777X. Weird, the 777 is so successful.
Not every emergency landing means there is a fundamental issue with the company. These things happen. If the plane can divert to Denver when it is flying over Montana, they clearly are still well in control.
Right. Emergency landings are pretty common in the case of health emergencies, which is bound to happen from time to time when there are hundreds of flights every day and each one is full of 250+ people.
Emergency landings for mechanical issues are also very common. Check out VASAviation sometime.
Or, check out https://avherald.com/
That's all well and good, but emergency landings for any reason are the worst. At best, it's a huge inconvenience. I had one a few years back because a passenger was acting like an asshole, and it cost a full day of my limited vacation, so I'd really rather not have one even if the plane is safe enough for them to land.
I dunno. I’d say crashes are worse than emergency landings. But then again, I haven’t had the experience of an emergency landing, like you have. So I might be in the wrong here.
Did I say they weren't? My point was that emergency landings aren't a great time and I'd rather not have one, not that they're on the level of a crash. It'd just be nice to not have either of those things.
Did I say they weren't?
To be fair, you did in fact say that "emergency landings for any reason are the worst."
You don't even have to read the article. Just click the link. The first bullet point of the summary states:
United Airlines flight from San Francisco to Paris faced engine issues, diverting to Denver and canceling onward flights.
Boeing Killed John Barnett
Makes me blood boil
Someone, somewhere, will find an email or voicemail or taped conversation including an order to 'disappear' John. One day, people will answer for that.
Sadly, I doubt it. They’ll cover it up or bribe people and we won’t hear about it again. The best we can do is keep mentioning his name. :(
22.4-year-old Boeing 777
I still think of the 777 as a new plane. They first entered service in 1995. Stupid time.
Not exactly thrilled to have a Boeing flight on United in a few weeks. Kind of scary stuff.
Musician: United breaks guitars
United: Hey guys… this time it wasn’t us. It was Boeing
Boeing: No comment
Fuck United.
I concur
You're gonna be surprised to find out United isn't the worst airline out there. In fact, it's not even top-2, and that top-2 is filled by both major airlines in another country.
Your satisfaction and safety is better than it could be!
Even with their recent problems, if you are driving any significant distance to the airport, you're far more likely to be killed in a traffic accident on the way there than you are on the airplane.
They have thousands of flights a day. You have nothing to be worried about. Not that it couldn't happen, but it's so beyond unlikely, it's not actually worth a minute of fretting over.
Who would have thought that when you bail out a corporation indefinitely and shield it from any competition or liability it would eventually erode because it knows it will never have to actually face consequences for creating a bad product?
Is it Sunday night already?
I've been flying since I was a child. I've never feared flying. I'm now feeling slight dread about future trips. For the first time in my life.
Capitalism, folks!
Kayak put in a filter for aircraft, at least on their desktop site. Might bring some peace of mind if you can filter out Boeing.
I hold a flight instructor certificate, or did before it expired.
I went to mechanic school.
I don't work in aviation anymore.
The Boeing 777-200 involved in the incident remains out of service, causing multiple cancellations and affecting corresponding flights
Did they fire evwryone who knows anything about capacity planning and trivial Business Continuity? Ready the standby gear at the major hub and get it to start taking the load. United seems like a stuck door handle is an insurmountable upset.
Yeah, so many of these incidents lately have been United incidents. The Boeing part is perhaps related, perhaps coincidental. But United is struggling hard with proper maintenance, it seems.
after the aircraft experienced engine issues.