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[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 218 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Google SEO has homogenized the internet with vapid marketing content. The internet is one big commercial. The reason Reddit got popular was because communities found and shared good content and created more by talking about it. Now ads are disguised as posts and memes.

The internet is getting as bad as radio.

[–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 120 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

The internet is getting as bad as radio.

Lemmy kinda feels like the 2000's internet and I love it

edit: formatting

[–] Brisolo32@lemmy.eco.br 52 points 10 months ago (3 children)

i didn't get to experience the 2000s internet and I've been loving lemmy

[–] Pattern@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The whole internet used to be like this and it was lovely.

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[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (9 children)
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[–] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Imagine content creation that was done purely for the fun of creating content and sharing info, albeit with literally zero hope of receiving any money. Better in some ways, worse in others.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It just reminds me of early reddit before it was taken over by the dumbs.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Eh, I'd be careful with this sentiment. A significant part of internet's decline comes from people who think of themselves as too smart and rationalize their own nonsense.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 10 months ago

And also nothing prevents people who ruined Reddit from coming here, and they do.

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[–] demlet@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Oof, that last sentence hits home.

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 90 points 10 months ago (9 children)

The only REAL replacement I'm still looking for is YouTube. Sure, Peertube and proxy sites for YouTube exist. But the amount of content I am interested in is by dozens of decimals larger an YouTube than on any other alternative combined.

And, yes, of course, the search engine.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'm hoping that as the fediverse grows it will start to accrue enough capacity to sustain a strong video hosting platform like peertube.

Social media has a network effect where the more people use it the more attractive it gets, and because the fediverse can interconnect between different formats I see it as inevitable that eventually it will take over, because it can manage a much more comprehensive network than any centralised site.

Once it becomes more mainstream, server capacity should increase until it can handle the world's video sharing as well.

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[–] S410@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Odysee seems to be doing relatively well. Probably 20-30% of the YouTubers I watch are also on there.

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[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 17 points 10 months ago

I hope alternatives to youtube like Nebula and peertube find their footing, but I can't help but suspect that youtube has and will continue to find the successful path in this social media era. I'm not a youtuber or anything, so I don't really know any details about how it works, but the way they seem provide a platform with monetisation and brand building possibilities built in seems pretty effective/pragmatic for a platform that needs to find someway to work within capitalism.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Just use duck duck go. Its better in all regards.

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[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Try Nebula! It's a bunch of YouTube creators who got together to make their own platform for video content. The price is quite reasonable and the videos are the same you would see on YouTube but often a few days early and with the sponsorship ads removed.

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[–] CharAhNalaar@lemmy.world 81 points 10 months ago (8 children)

I like Google products but the search engine really has become shit. I'm not sure there's anything they can do about it though.

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[–] o0joshua0o@lemmy.world 75 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I avoid Google products as much as possible these days, especially anything launched within the last 2-3 years, because it will soon be abandoned and unsupported. Their search results are worse than they have ever been. The only Google app I actually like is Google Maps.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Try magic earth instead of gmaps

[–] lemann@lemmy.one 21 points 10 months ago (7 children)

All the alternatives work great for cycling, driving etc... but collapse instantly when you try and use them for public transport

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I find Maps the best for getting around regardless of the mode of transportation.

Only thing I really dislike about Maps is that it doesn't make it very easy to explore businesses. Like, try to look at a random strip mall and it won't show you what all the store fronts are. Some things only seem to show up if you search for them (not if you look at exactly where they are).

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[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 17 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yeah the search has gone to shit. I've been using Duck Duck Go but I guess that is Bing based?

Also been trying out Kagi. The format is unsettling at first but it is nice to see the results I am looking for at the top instead of a bunch of bullshit ads / sponsored results and whatever along with crappy results below the fold.

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[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 15 points 10 months ago

Maps is also seriously going down the gutter.

  1. There are ads in maps now.
  2. It works OK if you know a name, but not the location, but not the other way around. If there's any concentration of businesses, you can zoom in all you want but it will only show 1 in 2 places.
  3. Many search terms now result in residential places near the top results. I suppose these are mostly small webshops run out of homes for the same terms, but that isn't usually what one is looking for when using maps.
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[–] Echo71Niner@lemm.ee 30 points 10 months ago

translation: Google Search is still an important tool, but it is no longer the only way people find information.

[–] Aopen@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

there’s been a shift to entertainment-based video feeds like TikTok — which is now being used as a primary search engine by a new generation of internet users. 

I hate when journalists use data from Arse Research Institute to boost sensation

But if that last 25 years of Google’s history could be boiled down to a battle against the Google bomb, it is now starting to feel that the search engine is finally losing pace with the hijackers. Or as Marwick put it, “Google has gotten shittier and shittier.”

“To me, it just continues the transformation of the internet into this shitty mall,” Marwick said. “A dead mall that’s just filled with the shady sort of stores you don’t want to go to.”

Worth citing

Dash is one of the web’s earliest bloggers. In 2004, he won a competition Google held to google-bomb itself with the made-up term “nigritude ultramarine.”

DarkBlue.com is not Google
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011225539/http://dashes.com/anil/2004/06/nigritude-ultra.html

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[–] noughtnaut@feddit.dk 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In fact, the site’s original name, BackRub, was a reference to the backlinks it was using to rank results.

Oh, I'm so gonna be using the original name from this moment on. "Have you backrubbed it?"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Too long. We need to shorten it. I know... "I can't find any information on grasshoppers." "Have you rubbed one out?"

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[–] regalia@literature.cafe 23 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The only thing I still use from Google is their Pixel phones, and then I immediately flash them with GrapheneOS. That, and Google maps which I can't find a good replacement. I've tried every single OSM app and none of them remotely compare.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wish. Unfortunately it will probably live on for all eternity like Facebook is somehow living on.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's no surprise that Facebook is hanging on, the average nerd might avoid it like the plague but the average person doesn't care

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[–] Surreal@programming.dev 15 points 10 months ago

It's far from over

[–] ArghZombies@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

We had some good variety of search engines back in the day. Alta vista, Hotbot, Infoseek, Yahoo... Now it's just Google, or slightly worse versions.

I know people say to use DuckDuckGo but I never get as useful results there as on Google. I just have to scroll past a lot more ads on Google to get to the actual links.

[–] CustodialTeapot@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The fact you're saying you're still getting useful results on Google means you haven't used Google for the past year to me.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

They said as useful as Google. Not that Google gives objectively very useful results. And I agree with them. I use DuckDuckGo every day and pretty much every time I have to add !g to send my query to Google because the DDG results are shit in comparison.

I'm talking about on the desktop btw. With adblocking and script blocking. I accidentally used Google on my phone yesterday and I think I got cancer.

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[–] olympus@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I hope it's true, but honestly I don't believe sites and opinions that have to do with google from sites like the verge.
Because sites like the verge are in reality rivals to google. For example verge is owned by voxmedia which has an advertising company and a web advertsing platform. They are rivals to google which also is an advertising company. They hate google because they want google's money lol. I seriously doubt they can be objective especially to google.

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[–] N01R3@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I've been looking for a replacement for Google Keep for so long and can not seem to find one.

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