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[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago

As usual, the USA is number 1!

[-] FlaminGoku@reddthat.com 65 points 10 months ago

Main reason being that the EU doesn't allow advertising for pharmaceuticals.

[-] Eq0@literature.cafe 54 points 10 months ago

I think the cultural aspect is also very important. I Europe, having used drugs a couple of times is viewed as completely fine, as long as you are not currently addicted to them. Add to that the lack of a social net in US and you have the perfect storm.

I’m still rattled by videos of the homeless camps in US. Those people have no way out. Drugs at least provide an escape.

[-] thedrivingcrooner@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I feel like at that point they should be allowed to have their own state. Utah sounds like a good place.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 47 points 10 months ago

When I saw sports on US television for the first time I was horrified by an advertisement of an opiod from astrazeneca. I still remember that ad today, suggesting to have an opiod prescribed by the gp.

TF? How is that allowed?

[-] Hank@kbin.social 18 points 10 months ago

You'd have to be very very sick to get a prescription for opioids at all in Europe.

[-] ZzyzxRoad@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Which is also fucked up. It's either one extreme or the other. Overprescribing to cause addiction, or forcing people to suffer when they don't have to because doctors assume everyone's an addict until they prove otherwise, and nothing convinces them. These drugs have a purpose. Just use them for their purpose. It's not that fucking hard.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 18 points 10 months ago

I think it's also cheaper medicine access, so you can get a proper treatment rather than just temporarily stopping the pain.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 11 points 10 months ago

prescription pharmaceuticals.

there is plenty of ads for over the countrr medicine like aspirin or the wici medinait, which is hilarious to be sold otc. It contains alcohol, ephedrine (methamphetamine precursor), dextromorphan (opiod) and paracetamol (tylenol). That is quite a drug cocktail right there.

But yeah, advertisment for prescription drugs is insane. Nobody should ask there doctor if some drug they saw on the tv could be right for them.

[-] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

I think in some countries it's fine if it doesn't need a prescription, right

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 52 points 10 months ago

I mean I just watched "Painkiller" on Netflix (but I heard "Dopesick" is better) and it explains a few things.

Like the insanity of advertising for a drug (like going to doctors and promoting your drug). Or the way Oxycodone was pushed through the FDA with bribes. It's no surprise that you get addicts when you push a "12-hour" painkiller that only lasts for around 6-8 hours, sending patients into withdrawal. But if they allowed doctors to prescribe a lesser dose every 6 hours for example there would be cheaper alternatives (the 12-hour thing was the entire marketing selling point). Just awful :-/

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s no surprise that you get addicts when you push a “12-hour” painkiller that only lasts for around 6-8 hours

No, it works for 12 hours for most people. Meaning that a small bit sizable percentage would have been better off on the old kind. Which isn't anything new in medical fields, it's true for damn near every "extended release pill".

But Sackler buried that, they would make way more off XR, so they wanted docs prescribing it as normal to everyone. Then the patients and the doctor could work it out on their own.

But a patient telling their doc their 12 hour opioid where's off in 6 so they need more...

Sounds like an addict. So doctors wouldn't and the patient had to turn to the streets. Or the doctor didn't care and would give them multiple extra refills.

If you wanted to come up with a program scientifically designed to create opioid addicts...

You couldn't do much better than this without giving people 5 gallon buckets of pills for a headache.

But the Sacklers are billionaires. So when they got sued the US government agreed that it wouldn't be fair to allow their victims to touch any of the billions in personal wealth they got fucking over Americans, and definitely no jail.

Quick science edit:

The difference is our liver enzymes, everyone has different amounts. I'm a rare case where my body can't even break down the normal opioids into their effective parts. Except for morphine, pretty much every opioid is just a chemical out body metabolizes into morphine.

My body sucks so bad at doing that, I get absolutely nothing out of even something like Percocet.

Some livers are really good at it. They're the ones that can burn through a XR in half the time. Meaning if they follow directions they'll twice as doped up at first, then intense pain till their next one.

Sacklers and Purdue *knew" that. But they picked the option that made them the most money, even though it created a generation of addicts

[-] transientDCer@lemdro.id 12 points 10 months ago

There is a recent development that they and their billions might not actually be shielded:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-purdue-pharma-settlement-bankruptcy-sackler-family-oxycontin/

[-] ZodiacSF1969@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Except for morphine, pretty much every opioid is just a chemical out body metabolizes into morphine

Only codeine and heroin have this as their primary mechanism of action I'm fairly sure? Oxycodone is active itself without metabolism, as are many other opioids.

Yes, metabolism will still make a difference though.

[-] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago

I worked in a pain management clinic in the 2000s. The drug reps came daily, would have lunch catered from every restaurant, would go golfing with the docs and take them out for expensive dinners, and would bring branded gifts. They couldn’t force the docs to prescribe their particular pill but they would stop coming if you weren’t pushing enough of their product. It was sort of an unspoken agreement that they wrote the scripts and the reps would keep showing up.

It’s kind of crazy looking back. We were one of the clinics that took the enormous responsibility seriously and tried to serve the community and I think we did genuinely help people that were suffering. But I think that we were ultimately naive as shit about the drugs we were pushing and there’s no doubt many of those patients we had probably would go on to struggle with addiction problems.

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Waiting for some (R)tard to chime in about how’s it’s all the bad hombres bringing drugs from Mexico and completely giving big pharma a free pass.

[-] teruma@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Oh there's already a few of those.

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Everything is brown peoples fault.

[-] demlet@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

While the drug problem in America is horrifying and deserves highlighting, this whole article is an absolute indictment of America. Most of the increased deaths are young adults and middle-aged people. What an embarrassment, what a tragedy.

[-] silvercove@lemdro.id 18 points 10 months ago

America is a fucked up place. Europe is much less so. That is why.

[-] Klaqua@feddit.de 9 points 10 months ago

As with many if not all issues in the US it comes down to the lies everyone get fed and subsequently buys into.

Instead of looking into root causes, quick fixes and promises are all that is ever supplied. At best they never really work and at worst they make things worse.

Look at prisons, childbirth and deaths of infants, healthcare in general, energy or food. It doesn't really matter, because you see first hand what a unregulated economy that is 100% for profit leads to.

Nothing... absolutely nothing gets better for the average citizen (who in a democratic system should be the beneficiaries) but be it big oil, big telecom or big pharma are the winners.

Also nothing will improve because the system by now is so rigged that change is nearly impossible.

That is why I moved my family back to Europe after 20 years in the US.

[-] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

It's the freedom drugs

[-] johan@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago
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