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submitted 4 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/health@lemmy.world

Weinstein repeated discredited theories to Rogan about HIV not being the cause of AIDS, alarming and infuriating public health experts.  

Bret Weinstein, the evolutionary biology professor turned podcaster and ivermectin guy, repeated a series of discredited pseudo-theories about AIDS in a recent appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast. Weinstein, a frequent guest, told Rogan that he found the theory that party drugs like poppers cause AIDS to be “surprisingly compelling.” (It is not.) Weinstein also told Rogan he came to these ideas by reading a recent book by anti-vaccine activist and presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, creating a sort of unholy turducken of misinformation passed onto an audience of millions. 

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[-] firkin_slang_whanger@lemmy.world 151 points 4 months ago
[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 59 points 4 months ago

Dumb person’s smart person

[-] newtraditionalists@kbin.social 20 points 4 months ago

So succinct, yet so damn accurate. Well said!

[-] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

He's considered smart somewhere?

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

By dumb people, hence the comment you're responding to.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 90 points 4 months ago

I fucking hate Rogan so much. Maybe it's unfair of me, but I always think less of a person if I hear them say the words "I heard on Joe Rogan..."

[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

No, that’s also my instinctive reaction. Right up there with Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

He gives a platform to misinformation, and sits there like an ape, listening to his guests spew bullshit, while he nods and goes "that's good point" and legitimizes their lies. He does this on purpose but claims he's just an idiot asking questions, when he's clearly pushing an agenda

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Same here. My otherwise progressive'ish mother-in-law listens to him because she enjoys the interviews. I love her to death but it's hard to keep my mouth shut whenever she tells us the latest bullshit Rogan has shat out.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I feel the same way. The moment someone speaks positively of them, I have suddenly lost respect.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 89 points 4 months ago
[-] echo64@lemmy.world 83 points 4 months ago

If you're paying for spotify premium you're funding this.

[-] madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Time to start a free market movement.

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago

he found the theory that party drugs like poppers cause AIDS to be “surprisingly compelling.”

What does he mean with this? Is he claiming that AIDS isn't caused by the HIV virus, or is he claiming that poppers (the chemical amyl nitrate) when consumed by a human causes the spontaneous creation of the HIV virus inside the person?

Neither of those makes sense.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

I think he's saying that last time he got high off poppers he had unprotected butt sex with a known infected partner.

It's the only logical conclusion.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

The most generous interpretation is he's saying drugs suppress the immune system so drug use causes AIDS. This would be fairly falsifiable if we had data showing non drug users also develop AIDS and... Oh wait we have fuck loads of evidence showing that and Weinstein proves himself an idiot. Again.

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[-] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 11 points 4 months ago

Haven't listened. Haven't read.
AIDS is the Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome.
The most charitable take is he's saying HIV isn't the only way to acquire it.
Personally, I gave a lot of charity to rogan between 2014 & 2020. I don't have any charity left for either of those racist xenophobic cucks

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago

My people didn’t lose a generation for this bullshit.

Also AIDS is preventable, AIDS is treatable, and if you’re sexually active outside of monogamy you’re potentially being exposed to HIV regardless of the kind of sex you have. Straight people having PIV can spread HIV, oral can spread it with any genitals. If you’re sexually active get tested regularly. If it’s caught early you can avoid negative consequences. And if you have reason to believe you’ve been exposed go to an emergency room immediately and tell them. There’s basically a morning after pill for HIV (there’s also an equivalent to birth control called PrEP)

[-] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago

I thought I was exposed one time (turned out it was all good) and went to the ER to tell them and they told me they didn't have that medication and that it was extremely expensive. Good old Texas.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Yeah that’s terrible. When AIDS breaks out it is always a governmental failure. I’d’ve given the first time a pass but holy fucking shit did the government fail then too. If a hospital lacks PEP and if government and insurance don’t make it worth taking just in case they’re risking citizens lives

[-] SteefLem@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago
[-] Vast_Emptiness@programming.dev 30 points 4 months ago

Who the f**k take this 2 clowns serious? And Joe Rogan, that dude ..is a gold mine for this shit and stupid topics.

[-] Bahalex@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I dunno. The guy got a bunch of radio equipment from when he worked at WNYX, started a pirate radio station then moved on to podcasts…

It’s all there in his Wikipedia

“ He also espouses various conspiracy theories, particularly with regard to the government's suppression of information about extraterrestrial life.”

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[-] tryitout@infosec.pub 27 points 4 months ago

Unholy turducken of misinformation should be the new name for the GOP.

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Bret Weinstein: a perfect example of how you can be educated and still be a complete fucking moron.

Or

Educated, possibly intelligent, and a soulless grifter taking advantage of complete fucking morons.

Either way he's a goddamn turd in a turd suit.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Joe Rogan realized he could cast a dragnet across the nation for the most ignorant, gullible viewers and, like Alex Jones, sell them bullshit. This bullshit being pushed to the audience is paid for by the highest bidder that Rogan then injects into his dialogue.

Then again, I wonder if he's just a stoner wholeheartedly embracing the Dunning-Kruger Effect, thinking he's got it allllll figured out.

Do you think he's aware of the false equivalence fallacy he props up when he would bring on, say, an anti-vaxxer person and then 1 pro-vaxx person but not recognize that there's probably 999 pro-vaxx infectious disease experts, doctors, scientists for every one anti-vaxxer? What if he interviewed with proportionality?

[-] exocortex@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 4 months ago

he got 100 Million Dollars from Spotify. Of course he thinks he's highly intelligent.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Rogan flips like a pancake. One day he'll have Tyson on then the next this baked potato who got his info from a guy who wrote a book using the baked potatoes info.... it's a feedback loop of idiots. Rogan just likes money.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

The Joe Rogan sort of show used to be relegated to midnight on AM radio. Coast-to-Coast Art Bell/George Noory stuff. Except at least Bell and Noory weren't meathead assholes.

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[-] panchzila@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

I guess kids in africa are having poppers in uterus.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Why is an evolutionary biologist qualified to even talk about this, he's not exactly a medical expert.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

I actually took classes from Bret Weinstein, and knew him semi-personally outside the unversity.

He is a pompous ass who really feels he has the keys to understanding and analyzing all topics.

It was good for facilitating evolutionary biology discussons and seminars. It was terrible for everything else.

I recommended he needed a sabbatical after my classes, and in 2 years he was chased off campus with baseball bats.

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[-] Gork@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago

creating a sort of unholy turducken of misinformation

fucking lol

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago

Damnit Bret, I want you to personally refund the tuiton I spent in college taking your classes.

[-] don@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

Joe Rogan is a one-man human centipede.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

I actually think Rogan is a really great interviewer, and he's sometimes able to get surprisingly candid moments out of his guests. The problem is he's also dumb as shit, so he'll wind up platforming people that have batshit crazy ideas and he has no ability to evaluate or push back on what they're saying. He'll have guys like Stephen Molyneux come on and go on a racist tirade about ethnic IQ or whatever, and instead of doing research beforehand so he can challenge his bullshit he'll just go, "wow, that's crazy man."

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[-] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I used to like Rogan in the Man Show/Fear Factor days, and I still respect what he's done for comedians in Austin.

Other than that? He's a fucking meathead who sold whatever integrity he may have had to Satan Musk for a joint.

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Bret Weinstein is kind of a moron. I've been saying this for years.

Edit: I listened to Bret, even though I still think he's a moron the article completely misrepresents what he said. The article:

The specific idea that AIDS is spread through poppers—a party drug with a long medical and recreational history—first circulated as HIV began to spread in the 1980s.

My understanding from the snippet is that party drugs trigger AIDS, not spread it. Honestly this is a perfectly reasonable take, loading your body with drugs, poor sleep, poor diet can easily lead to a compromised immune system. I'm guessing the hypothesis is that HIV runs rampant in this state and destroys the immune system leading to AIDS more easily than if you weren't taking drugs. Not pushing your body, specially when you already have HIV, is generally a good idea.

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