200 years of propaganda later - "Hurr Durr France surrender duh"
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French soldiers died in fighting alongside the US in Afghanistan. It was a deeply unpopular war, but after 9/11 the US invoked NATO article 5, so the French along with other European nations sent young men to die alongside American soldiers.
I don't think the freedom fries and "France surrendered" remarks are the problem.
It's the "Russians should invade them, and I'll encourage it." remarks from the next president.
Tens of thousands died defending France in 1940. They didn't turn tail and run, they were surrounded and cut off from supplies. They fought until it was impossible to fight.
Yep I'd love to see how many of the gun-owning cowards in the States would actually stand up and fight if it came to it lol
They'd definitely stand up
To get the remote from the other side of the room.
No, that's what their kids (and grandkids) are for
Don't need the remote they're only watching fox news
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If it's to usher in facism? Probably a lot of them.
If it's a real fight worth fighting for.? Like, 10?
Eh, they talk a big talk, but if they were actually met with armed resistance they'd shit their rascals.
Jan 6 only happened because it was essentially allowed to.
Aren't you talking about WW2?
And then there was the resistance, who family fought even after it was impossible to fight.
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More like 20 years.
Europe: USA help me
USA: No problem. Who are we fighting against?
Europe: Russia.
USA: What I’m saying is this: You have a group on one side and you have a group on the other, and they came at each other with bombs-- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the good guys-- you just called them the good guys-- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is. I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say.
Wtf I can't get over how this guy talks.
Dude... Saying Trump is the USA is a low fucking blow. 70% of us hate his fucking guts, and the 30% that don't hate him are literal seditionists who don't understand what the USA is supposed to represent.
45% approval rating according to the latest poll:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/
Remember to vote.
That's an isolated ABC poll, not an indication of national sentiment. More accurately 45% of people who responded to a random American Broadcasting Company poll are fucking stupid, malicious, or both.
I have a related degree. Sorry, but no. There's a high probability it's within a few percentage points of that number.
This isn't an ABC poll. It's a page on ABC's website which tracks polls published by polling companies.
The 45% is from a polling company with a sufficiently large sample size. This isn't just one isolated poll. You can keep scrolling, and you'll see similar figures from multiple polling companies. The chance that a hundred polls are all wrong, is very low.
You may have heard of YouGov, a UK based polling company with a good reputation. As you can see they have a poll they published last week which has Trump at 46% favourable. If you click on yougov it'll link you to the full poll data, so you can read about their methodology, and how they weighted things so that the sample is as representative as possible.
And yes, the good pollsters weigh the data so it better reflects the population. No, they don't only phone old people anymore. Those days are largely gone, outside the occasional partisan poll.
Well if it's an actual accurate picture of America's sentiment then that's very disturbing.
It is.
Given Trump's remarks about NATO and Putin's remarks about the Baltics, it's also genuinely scary.
Then why is Trump leading more than Biden in the polls? I think we have to admit Trump has gained sympathy from those who may not be outright fascists, but sees him as lesser evil to uphold their privileges. Many Americans think he is better on the economy than Biden, which is why Trump is leading. People reminisce on the pre-Covid economy under Trump.
Forgive me for invoking Ad Hitlerum on this, but the similarity of Nazi's rise to power and of Trump is very striking. Many German voters, including the right of all flavours, felt threatened by the growing popularity of communism as the communist election victory might take away their property. So, moderates, businesses and conservatives thought Hitler and the Nazis is the safer bet, and either supported him or did not mind him because the other option is their wealth might be taken from them.
At the end of the day, voters can be pretty self-interested and most of the time we vote on what serves us economically. I'm afraid we don't have another Roosevelt to save us from economic woes while still upholding democratic values.
I might be the most conservative dude on Lemmy, and hate trump so much.
All that bs about the election being stolen. I don't know how he's leading. That's the conspiracy. How the hell is this happening again. Sorry, trump hate is well covered,.I'm not original here, just reeling.
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In the olden days, we used to have something that we called a "conflict of interest" where, oh lets say that someone who said the above had much of their wealth tied up in the bank accounts of the aggressor party, and then we might choose to listen to what they had to say a little less bigly. Now, the alternative facts reign supreme, and we very well might join with said aggressor party as soon as 2024 or 2028.:-(
Tbh that's something I'm afraid of. That Biden will win this year, but Trump will keep running until the end of time (which is when he either wins and becomes dictator, or dies)
I'm also afraid he will never die, and I think he will, but sometimes I still think there's a monster under the bed that's gonna eat my toes and I can't fight that with logic.
Sorry, but it's far worse than that. Trump is mostly a symptom - he is also a cause to be sure, but mostly he is a symptom of other underlying issues. Putin being one of the prime ones there. i.e., the puppet is replaceable, the forces behind the mask not so much.
The only thing required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.
But they did not, and now I am not certain that this fight is even winnable (although it's not entirely over yet!:-D).
Then France goes bankrupt and, as a result, the monarchy is abolished, given over to an Emperor, unabolished, abolished again, unabolished, abolished, given to the former Emperor's idiot nephew, and finally finding an actual democracy between the couch cushions.
19th century France was a trip, and intervening in the American Revolution sorta set it all off.
American Revolution was the kickoff, but there were a lot of other things building up for a long time, and they'd have found another way of going bankrupt fighting the English sooner or later.
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Abolished is one way to put it... I suspect Louis had stronger words when it was his turn to meet Madame Guillotine.
Was a great time, the American and/or French revolution also started nationalism. We had a lot of "fun" with that concept.
At least the French revolution also brought us the metric system and the decimal clock.
GENERALS GTHERED IN THEIR MASSES!
One of the reasons the french will always be my homebois. There are many, though.
Is another reason because they have the best kissing style?
Sorry mate. We Aussies have the best kissing style.
I've never heard of an Australian kiss. Is that like the Toby McGuire Spider-Man kiss from the first movie? Upside down?
That's a good guess! They say it's a lot like a French kiss, but 'down under'
(aka mouth on genitals, in case the joke doesn't come through lol)
It's like a French kiss, but Down Under
Nice. That's definitely a better kiss, but considerably less appropriate in public, and definitely not at the altar during your wedding.
I read that as OHM-bwah.
We'll never forget how Lafayette helped the young USA.
Given the level of political debate that's coming out of the US of late, I wouldn't be surprised that a large amount of Americans would think Lafayette is a brand of gay French mayonaise.
Fabulous Mayo? I'm on board!
Here's my statement: mayo is the gayest condiment.
I will now take zero questions.
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Wasnt he Princess Dianna's boyfriend?
No, it's a laughable bayonet.
It does sound delicious though.
Y’all ever tried making a tuna sandwich with Lafayette?
I’m takin this horse by the reins makin’ Redcoats redder with bloodstains
When we were on death's door, when we were needy
We made a promise, we signed a treaty.
We needed money, and guns, and half a chance,
Uhh who provided those funds?
In return they didn't ask for land,
Only the promise that we'd lend a hand
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Yet another reason the frogs are a bunch of bustards.
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