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  • Users of Google Chrome on Windows 10 and 11 are reporting that they have suddenly found themselves using Microsoft Edge, with their Chrome browsing sessions appearing in Edge.
  • This may be due to a bug or an accidentally clicked-through dialog box related to a feature in Edge that imports browsing data from Chrome.
  • The setting, called "Import browsing data from Chrome," continually imports data from Chrome every time Edge is launched, unlike the one-time import offered for Firefox.
  • There have been concerns about Microsoft's tactics for pushing its own browser, including notifications, pop-ups, and full-screen messages promoting Edge and Bing.
  • Microsoft has become more aggressive in pushing various subscriptions and features in recent years, making a "clean" Windows install feel less so.
  • It remains unclear whether the Edge data-import issue is intentional or a bug, highlighting concerns about Microsoft's methods for promoting its own software.
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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 210 points 5 months ago

I think that governments should be tackling both Edge and Chrome at the same time. One of them for underhanded tactics, another for being a monopoly. Tackling only one of them is not enough.

I also think that Microsoft's strategy is worse than just underhanded - it stinks stupidity from a distance. It's clearly backfiring - this is not the first Browser Wars any more, people nowadays have a good grasp on what a browser is supposed to be. And while some pressure might convert a few users, too much pressure is bound to create resistance, even on users that would be otherwise inclined to follow you like cattle.

[-] admiralteal@kbin.social 108 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Dark patterns.

All the big tech firms do this shit all over the place because the regulators are sound asleep at the wheel.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 41 points 5 months ago

Yup. In this case

  • roach motel - it's considerably easier to switch to Edge than from Edge
  • appeal to emotion + appeal to authority + appeal to false authority* - "we recommend Edge, chrust us"

*those are technically fallacies. However, by trying to convince a user on irrational grounds to do something, they become a dark pattern.

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago

Had to set up a new laptop for someone over the weekend and Jesus they just won't stop begging you not to switch.

Search for another browser in the URL/search bar, gigantic banner that pushes the actual search results off the page: "There's no need to switch browsers, Edge is safe, fast, etc etc etc"

Click the download button for Chrome's installer, a pop-up notification shows up: "Edge is built on the same technology as Chrome, with the added trust and security of Microsoft" (fucking lol)

Go to switch the default browser in settings, another pop-up shows up again explaining that Edge is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I have to click either "Try Edge (recommended)" or "switch anyway".

Then I spend 30 minutes navigating their maze of a settings app to change a bunch of ad preferences, etc.

Then I spend another 30 minutes editing registry entries to disable Cortana, Bing search in the search bar, recommended apps.

God damn I'm glad I switched to Linux.

[-] Bizarroland@kbin.social 23 points 5 months ago

And the same for a domain joined PC. Fresh install of Windows 11, open edge, find that you are already signed into edge on a Microsoft account that Windows helpfully created for you that mirrors your domain account.

You told edge that you do not want to transfer over your data. And it says okay but you'll notice a little blue hyperlink that says manage above that.

And if you click that it tells you all the stuff it's going to copy over anyway.

So you sign out of that and you untick all of the boxes and you close edge and you reopen it and you find that you are still signed in to your Microsoft account that was created for you with your domain credentials in Bing search and you have to sign out of that as well.

Edge has created an account for you, signed you in in two separate locations, and automatically set itself to ingest all of your account credentials and it does not even tell you what it has done unless you click through multiple paths to find it.

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[-] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 5 months ago

And if you need to use Microsoft Teams for work it will ignore your preferences and open links in edge by default, so you'll have to find and disable that, too.

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[-] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 5 months ago

And then once a quarter as part of their "feature update" they'll ask if you're suuuure you don't want to change your default browser to Edge instead of your normal browser.

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[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 116 points 5 months ago

I love how Outlook opens your links in Edge and gives you a little message about how it knows it's not your default browser but it thought you'd like to open in Edge anyway.

[-] k_rol@lemmy.ca 77 points 5 months ago

I can always count on Microsoft to help me fix my default browser settings which I keep changing by accident. Silly me.

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

This has been annoying the shit out of me recently. I use several different computers so I keep running into this dumb shit. I feel like I'm in an endless fight to not use Edge. Microsoft knows I don't want to use it but they keep shoving it in my face again and again regardless. I really wish regulators would step in and put a stop to this nonsense.

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[-] ThePrivacyPolicy@lemmy.ca 99 points 5 months ago

Definitely had this happen. Edge imported all my plugins and tabs and started auto launching when I logged into windows. The auto launching made it obvious they were trying to confuse you into just picking up where you left off without hopefully noticing you weren't actually in chrome anymore. Had been meaning to move to Firefox anyway, this just give me the kick I needed to do it asap.

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Microsoft can pull the same trickery with Firefox users. It's their OS, after all.

[-] kiagam@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago

chrome and edge use chromium, so everything is 1:1 compatible. you can't do the same with firefox: extensions work differently, several options will be different, any custom layouts will be missing so things look different, etc

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

they can just import bookmarks and open your last session's tabs.

most extensions will be available too. they could check which ones you have in Firefox and install the ones available for Edge.

there would be some things missing, sure, but most people wouldn't notice the difference immediately.

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[-] Matriks404@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's 2024 and yet, user programs can still steal data from each other. There should be some kind of permissions system in Windows, like in Android and additionally apps should ask if they can access data of other program.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

I think there is, but 90% of windows apps resolve not to use that framework out of fear of the MS Store, even though you can theoretically install UWP apps outside of it.

[-] Daxtron2@startrek.website 18 points 5 months ago

the fact that a perms system is essentially opt-in for non UWP apps is laughable

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[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

If there was a fiable framework for that in use by most applications, it's fairly safe to say it would still have exceptions for the OS's provided apps, "to improve the user experience".

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[-] Kyrinar@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

On my work laptop, Teams has started to ignore my default browser settings. Firefox is still the default, and everywhere else links open there, but from Teams they open in edge anyway. Its really annoying

[-] olmium@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago

Outlook has been doing this for a long time too

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[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Pretty much every Microsoft service does this. IIRC, it’s a large part of what landed them in court for an antitrust lawsuit in the EU a few months ago. Basically, another company (probably Google) was saying that Microsoft ignoring users’ default browser options and forcing their own services to open in Edge was anticompetitive. And I mean, they’re not wrong.

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 51 points 5 months ago

Install Linux and be done with this nonsense

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 months ago

I did. Now my internet doesn't work. Problem solved 👍

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[-] trailblazer911@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Installed Linux Mint. My Bluetooth works. WiFi, Optical Audio Out, My Corsair Fan controller and many other things don't work. I can't find certain render options in Blender also. How to fix all these? Have been trying driver and software updates for hours now. I think I would have been better off using Windows with Chris Titus' debloat tools. Everything worked, and Edge, OneDrive, Cortana etc. could be uninstalled in one go too.

[-] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago

I love Linux, but I don't think that Linux users should promote it like it's a free Windows, because it isn't. You should learn Linux because you want to learn Linux, not because you hate Windows.

Frankly, I didn't go 100% Linux right away. I dual-booted for several years first.

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[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

These AI generated article thumbnails are getting out of hand.

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[-] vojel@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 5 months ago

The only way of interaction with edge I got is at my work computer which runs windows 10 😑 every time after an update the edge logo sits itself back into the taskbar until I remove it again. So annoying and and encroaching. For real fuck Microsoft.

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[-] ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Well both browsers suck balls, so there's that.

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

Windows problems 😄

[-] trucy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 5 months ago

L for using chrome honestly

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 28 points 5 months ago

Adobe did something similar. It did an invisible update, but suddenly all downloaded PDFs open in acrobat, even if you have a different default app for that, and you have to dig into some obscure settings to make it fuck off.

"We hope you like the new reader layout" Really? I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing.

[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 27 points 5 months ago

Isn't Microsoft Edge spyware though.

[-] xionzui@sh.itjust.works 30 points 5 months ago

Would be difficult for it to be as much as chrome

[-] silverbax@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It is worse, and Teams is even worse than Edge.

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 17 points 5 months ago

“Warren posits that the tab-snatching happened because of a bug or an inadvertently clicked-through dialog box“

so we don’t even know if it was an accidental keysmash or not. i am fully on the side of opposition to ms, but this is a joke of journalism. let’s maybe do our research before posting rage inducing titles next time.

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 16 points 5 months ago

I'm just saying, I game on a Windows 10 machine, use Firefox for a browser, and have never ever had this problem.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago
[-] prettydarknwild@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

yeah, a "bug"

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

As someone who refuses to use windows and who also refuses to use either of these browsers, I find this extremely amusing. Very troubling, of course, but also extremely amazing. 

[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

All your personal data belong to us.

Fuck I really have to switch to linux. Shit's accelerating I wouldn't be surprised if this is just the top of the iceberg of what microsoft is doing, analyzing, logging and transmitting all sort of stuff.

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[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 11 points 5 months ago

Guess if i ever have to use Windows again, my Firefox will be a Portabe App. Can't usurp stuff you don't know about, since it's not in Registry.

Except if they start to use Smartscreen for that...

[-] moon@lemmy.cafe 11 points 5 months ago

Both are cancer, but at least Microsoft is pushing out less internet standard monopoly bullshit like Google does... well unless you look into them blocking swapping the default browser on windows lol.

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