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Won't employers just adopt the same workaround that they're using in Colorado, by posting a huge pay range and hiring all employees near the bottom?
And yet it's still better than a system where you don't have to tell prospective candidates anything at all. I'd much rather have the knowledge that they want to hire me towards the low end of their own advertised range than have no information at all.
That workaround doesn't actually work, not legally. The Colorado law specifies that the pay range has to be reasonable and they will review and cite businesses that try to pull that if a complaint is made. The NYC-specific law also worked the same. I imagine the NY State law will have a similar provision.
Doesn't mean they still won't try it mind you.
The candidate work around is to ignore the top number and apply for jobs that have a reasonable bottom number.
My employer gets around it by refusing to hire anyone in Colorado for remote jobs. Guess the same will happen for New York.
I feel like a business would have to be really dumb to rule out hiring NY'ers because of this. NY has a very educated and very large population.
Edit: I did the math. Colorado and NY have a combined college degree population of 9.9 million, or 8.9% of US degree holders.
I don’t see how this is a counterargument.
Lmao you got me there.
I can get maybe blocking one state but New York AND Colorado? I'm sure California or some other larger, more progressive state will eventually make the swap too. Eventually you start cutting yourself off from not just large swaths of the american workforce, but also disproportionately from the types of hires you need (assuming remote hires still).
According to the article, California already has a similar law. I didn't dig into the details of it. Relevant bit:
I had a feeling CA had something similar but couldn't recall and couldn't be bothered to google in the moment on my phone lol
It is required for employers here in Washington. But if the company is headquartered in a state where it is not required, they do not have to list it.
I think one long term effect of this would be driving up wages outside of states that require posted salaries, at least for some positions in some industries. There probably aren't enough businesses signing on to this idea to make much of a dent though. As a business, you're effectively reducing your own labor pool. Either way it feels like the corporate equivalent of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Probably the same idiots whining that "no one wants to work anymore" (cue worlds tiniest violin).
They'll be out of states if we keep going then they'll naturally just cease to exist. Or, more likely, adapt to actual regulations.
That's illegal in Colorado and you should report it if you see employers listing bad faith salary ranges like that.
Pay: $40,000 - $250,000 (based on experience and qualifications)