Fascists are not empowered by political apathy. If that were the case, you'd be able to provide evidence that states or nations with low voter turnout always turn fascist. 80% of voters turned out in 1932 when the Nazis became the most powerful party. Political apathy can be a result of burgeoning fascism - among other things. How do you think fascism arose in Germany? People being lazy?

Chalking up fascism to poltical apathy is what happens when you fail to look at fascism as a function of class dynamics and class conflict - and furthermore, fail to see the generations-old pattern of regulatory agencies being captured, special interests dominating political commentary, rampant lobbying, decaying education, wages being suppressed, healthcare being denied, transportation services rendered useless, etc...

If, at the end of this devolution into fascism, your only takeaway is "Damn lazy tankies and russian spies destroyed America!", then you haven't learned your lesson, and you've fallen in perfect lockstep with your liberal forerunners who made the exact same mistakes.

It's telling that you folks never engage when leftists point out that when the democrats had a choice between slowing fascism and committing genocide on Palestinians, they chose to do genocide all for sweet AIPAC dollars.

The simple fact is that Biden's and Kamala's constituents wanted an end to genocide. Biden and Kamala ignored these constituents. Biden and Kamala lost. That couldn't be a more democratic outcome; it's more American than Apple pie. If you say "fuck you" to your constituents, it's a safe bet you'll lose them, and if this is a calculus that some dumb ass like me can make, you know that higher levels of democratic leadership were aware of the risks and chose to take them anyway. The democrats are controlled opposition.

If you are a liberal reading this thread and are starting to see holes pop up in the logic and reasoning of your colleagues, or have correctly identified that the liberals are ill-equipped to deal with this devolution, I'd encourage you to learn what Marxism really is - beyond the spark notes you got from your conservative history teacher in high school.

https://socialistra.org/edu/

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This was really shown when Cory Booker was shouting for 25 hrs about "This is not moral.. We fight corruption.. We dont have money for healthcare and education... We dont have money for our veterans " the next morning he passes $9Billion aid to Israel because AIPAC gave him $900,000

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/04/05/donh-a05.html

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

Morality and corruption my ass. Cory Booker is a hypocrite spinless clown who does not stand for shit. You give him money and he will dance a circus just like he is paid to.

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"I didn't vote for the lady who wouldn't commit to stopping Israel (but I knew wouldn't shred the economy)

even though the alternative was a man very openly supportive of Israel and is now actively deporting pro-Palestine protesters and providing Israel all the weapons it needs

'Cuz obviously both parties are the same"

Quite frankly, I have no respect for anyone who took this position. Whether influenced by propaganda or.. whatever.. I honestly don't know how you can say you didn't see what a threat Trump would be (not you personally), especially in retrospect.

I'm again going to push back and say that a massive propaganda campaign, similar to 2016, is what won them the election. Crypto dumped $146 million into he election. Elon personally put something like $250 million in, AND did the "raffles" to get people to vote (not raffles, it was a lie, admitted in court)... AND he openly used Twitter to influence the election. Zuck is in with the same guys that Musk is -- Thiel, etc (I say "in" loosely for Musk) and if you don't think they also used FB you're a fool.

But propaganda isn't an excuse, because it requires some lack of not intentionally trying to expose yourself to new & different sources of news, but more importantly, different perspectives. And a complete detachment or ignorance from Trump's first presidency.

MAGA was always a traitor party.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Liberals are controlled opposition, it's simple political science 101.

But what makes you think the Left will be any more successful ?

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're correct, but in the end those same tankies are also the ones that want a fascist state because they're basically a capitalist state on the brink of collapse – a good ground for revolution that tankies wish for.

This would not have happened if democrats had true back bone and a moral structure beyond being the slightly less insane alternative to republicans, until now, where republicans have shifted to radicalism, either knowing that democrats don't have much fight or allying internally with democrats, allowing for this take over to start from the roots and corrupt it way down the chain

This was inevitable with the system USA is built on top of, you only deny the inevitable by 4-8 years if democrats had won, preserving the status quo and begrudgingly agreeing to public protests to not suffer what essentially happened now. Which they failed, because they were begrudgingly doing so.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You’re correct, but in the end those same tankies are also the ones that want a fascist state because they’re basically a capitalist state on the brink of collapse – a good ground for revolution that tankies wish for.

This is the dumbest shit ever and not what we believe. Y'all don't ever listen to the things we actually say, you just make shit up and repeat it to each other until it becomes accepted as obviously true, regardless of any basis in reality.

A fascist state is not "good ground for revolution." There have been many far-right states that have successfully hunted down and exterminated the left and survived for quite a long while. And the conditions in the US are such that in an armed conflict the right would obviously have a major advantage. Should conditions decline, it's far more likely that we'd have a right-wing revolution than a left-wing one.

The problem is that conditions are declining under both Republicans and Democrats. Neither party offers any possibility of actually halting or reversing the decline, or averting any of the many, many crises, some of which are looming and some of which are actively happening. Liberals are fully content to accept this state of affairs for some reason - they just want a more gradual decline which will still lead to crises, the far-right gaining strength and power, and the complete extermination of the left and vulnerable populations. As long as that gets pushed back 5 or 10 years, perfectly acceptable to them, and worth sacrificing any attempts to actually fix the problems - which is what us "tankies" would prefer to happen.

If I were an "accelerationist," looking to bring about a fascist state on the bizarre logic that it would somehow be "good ground" for a left-wing revolution, then why would I have a problem with either side? Conditions will continue to decline regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in charge. What, am I just so impatient that I couldn't wait a few more years? If that's what I believed, I'd just disengage from politics and not give a shit what happens, confident in the fact that the inevitable decline will bring about socialism, somehow. Doesn't really seem worth the effort.

Unfortunately, this "accelerationist" concept doesn't actually track with history. People have lived - and do, currently live in much, much worse conditions than we have in the US, often for generations. Slavery persisted for centuries, and yes there were slave revolts but they were often disorganized and put down. This idea that bad conditions automatically create successful left-wing revolutions makes no sense to anyone who's actually capable of thinking beyond a meme level.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

can you humor me as to answer these questions

Do you support the 50501 movement?
What is the general consensus in Lemmygrad/Hexbear on the actions taken by the liberals in rallies held by Sanders and AOC?
Do you consider ending support for Israel to be step 1 for preventing the far right take over?
Do you believe it is necessary for the EU to end their support to Ukraine, which you consider to be a US funded puppet state formed out of a coup, and make new deals with Russia against the US to combat rising fascism?
What could be a possible path forward for the world to take, not for revolution but to quell far right ideology?
Do you believe that EU is an obstacle for Revolution, or do you believe a similar system to EU without a neo-liberal platform to be ideal?
Would you like to add on more about Tankies/Authleft that is generally misunderstood
Would you like to talk about anything relevant about the previous questions that I missed, and is important to understanding the picture?

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