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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Lack of user-friendlylinesss ? What ? How much more user-friendly can we get ?

Most things are point & click

[–] grahamja@reddthat.com 9 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Most isn't good enough, it has to be better than Windows. People will pay money to deal with the devil they know rather than learning something new.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 6 points 14 hours ago

People use chromebooks

[–] xye@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

This is the reason I have my family on the Apple ecosystem as much as I hate it and wish I could throw open the doors of Linux and just live in that open source utopia. The number of devices needed and the purposes of those devices grows every year. Apple is mostly idiot proof, it’s the same experience across all devices, and I just do not have to worry as much about “can you help me with…”. I can’t imagine even attempting this with Linux. It would be a nearly full time IT job explaining things and putting out fires.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Apple is mostly idiot proof

It sure as hell is not. Not even close. That's just the marketing that Apple has spent countless millions on propagating. You have no idea how many people over the years have asked me to help them with "simple" things on their Apple devices.

One example is my mother for whom I bought an iPad when she was moving across the country away from me. I thought it would simplify things for her since I couldn't do visits to fix things when she needed help. After a couple weeks she finally called me to tell she doesn't like it and can't figure out anything on it. Swapped it out for an Android tablet and I haven't helped her once since then (like 5 years ago).

Edit: I haven't needed to help her, it's not like I just ignored her from then on /Edit

I've also setup multiple people with Linux (including my parents) and I never get tech help calls about it. At most it's my dad saying he can't find his bookmarks or he forgot his email password.

So no, the idea that Apple is easier is just a lie everyone was tricked into believing. Most people have used Apple devices for a long time or know someone who has, so the support network is generally there for the small everyday things.

I didn't have to show my aging parents a single thing on their Linux systems. I just setup their shortcuts for Chrome/Firefox and their documents to the same spot on the desktop as their old Windows install and they just use it.

[–] xye@lemm.ee -1 points 11 hours ago

I respectfully disagree. We have had different lived experiences but that does not make it a lie or that I was tricked.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 10 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Is this a joke? The main way most Linux users install software is still via the command line.

On Windows the command line is an exceptional thing you sometimes have to use for troubleshooting. On Linux it's the default way everything is done.

For example how do you stop a service on Linux? The top answer just assumes command line.

If I search for how to do it with a GUI I get a 5 year old post explaining that all the GUI attempts are dead.

Now if I search for Windows, I get these instructions (from the AI but they sound like I remember it):

open the Services console (search for "services" in the Start menu), right-click the service you want to stop, and select "Stop".

And the top SO question is someone asking specifically how to do it with the command line because the GUI way is so easy and obvious.

That's just one random example. Not even getting to hardware support, ease of installation, etc.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Is this a joke? The main way most Linux users install software is still via the command line.

I reject the premise that the command line is not user friendly.

With either a GUI or a command line, the first step is going to be "Search the internet for the instructions."

The second step for the command line option is "ctrl-c, ctrl-v". The task is now complete.

The GUI option is only superior if it allows the user to skip the "Search for it" step. If it does not, now you are manually searching some arcane hierarchy for the specific location the developer decided to place that option.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 48 minutes ago

The GUI option is only superior if it allows the user to skip the “Search for it” step.

Well yeah, and it usually does so it is usually superior. Did you have to Google how to connect to a WiFi network with a GUI? Of course not.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Most things I do in command line I am not aware of or would want to do in a GUI on windows tbh. Recursive search for any files that contain a specific string? How do you do that on windows without.

Most people just want Facebook and pornhub, Linux has everything you need.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 45 minutes ago

How do you do that on windows

Open explorer. Type string in the search box.

(Ok it's kind of a shitty search feature but that's besides the point.)

Most people just want Facebook and pornhub, Linux has everything you need.

Sure, but don't confuse covering 90% of what people do with covering 90% of people. It's like electric car range or browser website compatibility. It might have enough range for 99% of my journeys of work on 99% of websites but that final 1% matters! You can't just ignore it.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

People use the command line because it's so much faster and more convenient. But there's often a gui tool. I use Yast from time to time. It has its uses too. It's slower though (if you know the syntax).

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Most things are point & click & no one uses CLI in windows, it's objectively inferior to linux

Also "start & stop a service" ? Does that sound like something an average user deals with in windows ?

Linux does need a control panel, I can admit that but let's not pretend that Linux's CLI is tough to learn. & the CLI is the most effective way of doing things in a pinch, when push comes to shove.

If someone like Pewdiepie (he's no tech-savvy guy) can use linux, thrn linux has gotten user-friendly enough, although linux can do better & more needs to be done

  • Ease of installation😅 now you're straight up lying, linux is by far easier to install with a liveUSB
  • as for hardware, that's upto the manufacturers to open up their systems

Thanks for revealing your hatred for linux (I cannot wait for you to call me a linux-cultist, eventhough I admitted that linux can do better)

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org -2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The bad cli thing is a 2000s view not a 2020s view. PowerShell is better than bash and windows terminal does everything I need both for local PowerShell stuff and remote bash stuff.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

PowerShell is better than bash

It factually and objectively is not

There's a reason why POSIX is still enduring to this day. Microsoft's penchant for writing short novels for a basic command is not what I would call "better". And that's ignoring the fact that PowerShell doesn't have a fraction of *nix shell capabilities and utilities.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Why is it factually and objectively not?

It has standard bash capabilities and also can run standard dotnet libraries. What can bash do that PowerShell can't?

I'm skipping by the POSIX part because well...posix lost except insofar as it lives on in the two mainstream highly proprietary OSs.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It has standard bash capabilities

Well, ya. Its terminal interface, I'd expect it to have "basic" capabilities.

also can run standard dotnet libraries.

That's not exactly a selling point.

What can bash do that PowerShell can't?

Write succinct and easy to read commands. Interop with all the powerful tools in the Linux ecosystem (which is the point of a shell like bash).

posix lost except insofar as it lives on in the two mainstream highly proprietary OSs.

That's just simply not true. Three majority of core utils you find on most Linux systems are POSIX compliant or mostly compliant. IIRC all the GNU tools are POSIX.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 6 hours ago

So your factual and objective point is, let me make sure I captured this right, is:

  • Bash looks pretty
  • Bash can run executables

Cool

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Who cares about Pewdiepie, the point is how much more "user-friendly" do you want, the excuses never end. If a stupid guy like pootiepie can handle linuxmint, then people are out of excuses

Plus it's actually the apps that we'll need to focus on (& games)

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

??

Clearly you do. You brought him up. And brought him up again.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

As a point of argument, I could've brought up Luke from LTT as well. You're something else😅

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Most things until anything goes wrong, and then you're out on your ass on the grub recovery screen