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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That's some mental gymnastics but sure, you can look at it this way.

I didn't realize that going out to eat required me to get this involved in some shiti food joints business model and compensation structure for their staff.

Note that a lot of tips don't even all go to the waiter... What's your excuse for this.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I feel like "mental gymnastics" has become grossly overused, and I don't think it applies, but regardless you are involved in the shitty food joint's (read: all that have wait staffs that operate on tips) business model, by being their customer. By going to a business that you know pays their wait staff less that minimum wage, you are agreeing to their shitty business model. So then, not paying a tip is essentially taking a discount on your order at your wait staff's loss. The business owner isn't hurt by that, they still get the full rate for the food. And as long as SOME customers pay tips, they don't have to pay any more (hence the taking from other tables comment).

It is a shitty system, but you agree to participate in it if you go to those restaurants. Which, for sit-down restaurants in the US, is most. If you go to one of those restaurants and don't tip, you aren't making some protest against tipping culture, and you aren't hurting the business owner. You are only saying that the wait staff should be paid at $2.13 per hour to serve you.

Lobby against the labor laws that allow less-than-minimum for tipped employees, or don't go to restaurants that rely on that model. Anything else, you're just taking a discount from the wait staffs' paychecks by not tipping.

And I absolutely can not believe that such anti-worker, pro-business owner bullshit is happening here. I cannot stress enough, you not tipping does nothing to the business owner. Billionaires jack up prices, stifle wage increases, and we're out here complaining about having to tip a person who otherwise would get $2.13 an hour, because somehow that's legal.

That being said, starting at 30% is ri-goddamn-diculous.

Also, since I didn't get to your later point, I'm not sure of its relevance to what I was saying. You have no control (and usually no knowledge) of how tips are distributed. So not sure what you are expecting from me here.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 hour ago

You are only saying that the wait staff should be paid at $2.13 per hour to serve you.

This is not true in my state at all

They get paid base that's above federal minimum wage.

But you are right, I ain't got to go out to eat so barely do it anymore due to these parasitic tactics of the owners and strong feeling of entitlement from the wait staff to be tipped 20% or more.