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[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It doesn’t leave only negotiations. Russia tried for 10+ years in Afghanistan. The US the same, there and in Vietnam. There is such as giving up and going home. That’s the “win” a small state can inflict on a large one. I don’t think that’s where Ukraine and Russia is headed, but there’s a quick for Ukraine and a slow “win” for Ukraine.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Wait, so your ideal is instead of negotiations, in the same vein as Afghanistan, Ukraine experiences this horrible war for another 9 years and then becomes a state ruled by the fighters involved in the war with the most extremist far right ideology rule it as a theocracy? To be clear that ideology in this case is Nazism.

You don't sound like an ally of the Ukrainian people.

[–] ToxicDivinity@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah why negotiate now while we still have hundreds of thousands of lives to throw into the meat grinder.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, that's exactly Putin's reasoning. Glad you figured that out.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

You're in a thread about Ukraines failed counteroffensive

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

You don't make any sense man. I feel like you're all red in the face when you write these nonsensical replies.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So in your mind there's no situation where ukraine doesn't win this war?

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For sure there’s a real risk Ukraine isn’t winning this war. But there’s never been a war where there’s absolute certainty one side will win, until we get to the “downfall” times.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you think they should just keep sending conscripts to die until the downfall times or until Russia just decides to leave?

[–] VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think Russia should keep sending conscripts to die or should they just leave?

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

They can just keep sending missiles and artillery shells to die, they've got the initiative rn