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Center here, it was a full blown nazi salute and every other european centrist I know also know it was a full blown nazi salute. We dont want to assosciate with the people saying it wasn't a nazi salute, they are either insanely stupid or undercover nazis.
It was definitely questionable. People saying it's 100% are being unreasonable. There's a large interpretation here.
And calling people names and trying to bully people into accepting your view is disturbing.
He threw his hand out from his heart and said my heart goes out to you. It's definitely questionable.
Don't point to a swastika and tell me it's a windmill.
What was performed, is a textbook nazi salute. Start to finish.
No the hands grabbing the heart isn't. Actual Nazis have said this.
And then throwing it out to the crowd is different.
WW2, might seem like a long time ago. But it really isn't. We have video footage of Hitler himself. Performing this exact routine.
Would you like me to spoon-feed you a side by side comparison?
No doubt about the gesture. Why are literal neo nazis all over neo nazi media super happy about it? Why is the only video record of such heartfelt gestures from modern nazi rallies or black and white and in german/italian? only question is why a man from a nazi family backing a party who is changing the constitutuon in order to harass minorities would do such a thing. 3 times in a row.
If you think the gesture means heartfelt thanks go do it infront of a synagogue, infront of your boss and in a highly public place. Its an EXTREMELY common gesture americans use all the time, right?
Center-right, previously strong (not far) right. That was clearly two Nazi salutes done by a drugged out oligarch. There's no way around it.
As a European center, does that put you between the radical far left (community based government, right to eat, right to housing, right to education, medical care for all, meeting and exceeding the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc.) and the radical far right (Monarchy, Totalitarian Oligarchy, the thing that Trump and Musk want, and will have to fight for)?
Or is it centrist as in between Neoliberal and MAGA?
The reason I ask is because here in the states Centrist means the latter, e.g. people who still hate the homeless and expect immigrants to go through (nonexistent for most) legal channels.
It puts us at free education including university, free healthcare, shorter work week and days, human rights, right to self govern, limits to make housing affordable, electricity affordable, not to pollute, you know all the shit that we have and want to keep. Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from and questions like how to deal with immigration. I personally believe the way to utopia is through making free specialized or higher education possible for even those who have nothing as educated population doesn't elect stupid ass parties, is wealthy and pays more taxes to support the society.
extreme left wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society extreme right wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society
You just have no study of history or politics, that's the difference. You believe that "high education" will magically solve wealth inequality, oligarchy/monopoly, and the drive for ever-increasing and maximized profit that is intrinsically opposed to a welfare state and to ecological conservation.
Restrictions implanted to not let companies exploit people do that. Takes not stupid people to make smart decisions. Works in my country. Works for welfare states. I'm fine in my country. We were part of the soviet union, we know exactly how oppression, totaliatarian control of the ruling class, genocide, mass murder, oligarchy run government, inequality and systematic ecological catastrophies look like. This is why we want to do better.
And how are you exactly going to do that as long as companies control the government, as they do in capitalism? How's regulation working so far, with every country violating the IPCC recommendations?
Bullshit. All "welfare states" rely on unequal exchange through the exploitation of the global south. Without poor people on the other side of the world extracting resources for misery wages and toiling their lives away at sweatshops, your country would have no welfare.
How old were you exactly in 1991?
lmao there's a difference between using violence to remove the capitalist class from power and using violence to genocide minorities.
I know you are being downvoted but I feel similar for the most part, I do find that not all countries versions of the left-centre-right divide marry up to each other and even the terminologies can get confusing. e.g in UK we have Liberal Democrats who are the only Centre party but the word Liberal in there can cause confusion for others. In Scotland we have free education including all the way through to degrees at universities etc thought that was started by the left wing government, the centre party wants to keep it as does the right wing.
I cant be upset about downvoting. Americans have to deal with it, not my problem. And they will get third and fourth term if they keep downvoting people who don't self identify as extreme left or view violence as a solution. Those "eat the rich" folk have been fed propaganda material on the silver platter and all they do is alienate popular support they need for a functional society even further. Fuck them then.
If it's any consolation, in Australia that'd make you far-left.