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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 66 points 3 days ago (5 children)

It's also one of the most difficult parts of learning German as an adult, despite being a relatively simple syntactic rule and something we kinda-sorta emulate in English. The other part, at least for me, were false friends. Also sorry to all the lurking Germans waiting to comment, I forgot all of my German the moment I graduated college.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Alles gut. Deine Vergesslichkeit hindert mich nicht daran, hier zu pfostieren.

[–] LeFrog@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

As a German I can assure you that false friends are something you scare away all pupils (regardless of age). I have very intense memories of our English teacher correcting us again and again.

Regarding the composita in German: we are moving more towards the English approach by splitting these word monstrousities with hyphens. E.g. Donaudampfschifffahrtsamt may be spelled Donau-Dampfschifffahrts-Amt. Its way easier to read and write. While the hyphenated spelling is not something that is used often officially, it got more popular in the last decades.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

oh Christ, please. it really is just the lack of spaces that make them a nightmare.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

My biggest issue with Duolingo trying to learn German honestly. Sure I can read a compound word when presented with it, but fucking Duo is like "Cool... now spell it... bitch"

[–] colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

German is phonetic though - once you know how pronunciation maps to the alphabet (and certain compounds), it becomes easier to spell any new word. It’s actually why there’s no Spelling Bee in German.

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 1 points 3 days ago

I learnt to write after hearing in Grundschule. It doesn't work that well.

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I gave up on duolingo very quickly because it had a ton of clearly wrong stuff too. Drops and Rosetta Stone have much better content for learning German.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I once talked to a guy that was learning portuguese all by himself using Langenscheidt's portuguese course.

They are pretty neat.

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's your issue? Not adjective declination?

I'm nearly at the end of Duolingo's German content and spelling has mostly been quite easy (as a native English speaker). You want a spelling challenge, try French.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

So we have this verb and the ending in third person plural is -ent but we just dont pronounce that so it pronounces the same way as third person singular...

[–] obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fucking French. 'we're never, ever going to say this 'h' character, but you still need it to spell words correctly because fuck you, that's why.'

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

English isn't exactly innocent there. See knight, plumber, mnemonic, pterodactyl.

[–] weker01@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well those are words descendent from Latin and Greek.

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah but the spelling 'normally' would have been updated to match English pronunciation. That's what happens in most languages. As I understand there were two issues:

  • Some dictionary writers (ca. late 1400s IIRC) wanted spellings that seemed fancier like French and Latin, which is why e.g. the silent B in debt was added 'artificially'.
  • The printing press was invented right in the middle of the Great Vowel Shift so old spellings got "locked in" even though spoken English continued to change significantly for a long time afterward.
[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's something different. False cognates are words that look related even tho they are not and often have a similar meaning that makes it look even harder to be related. False friends often are related but have a very different meaning. Like the German word "eventuell" meaning "maybe" which is very bad if you use it wrong. Unlike the false cognate "emoji" meaning "picture sign" and – etymologically speaking – having nothing to do with emoticon despite its similar meaning. Which is more a linguistic fun fact than any problem for learners.

[–] elvith@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Another example of a false friend:

German: Bekommen (to get), English: Become (werden)

Hence a joke I often heard while learning English:

Guest: "I become a steak."

Waiter: "Well, I do hope you won't, but I could ask the chef, if you insist..."

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Whilst quite a lot of words are pretty much the same in both languages, "wie" in Dutch means "who" whilst in German it means "how".

Having learned Dutch first, I can tell you that when I was first learning German the expression "Wie geht's" tended to give me a serious mental hiccup when I was trying to talk to German people.