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[–] rah@feddit.uk 104 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is a bit disingenuous; what's considered the "new year" is usually aligned with the seasons and the passing of winter, which is very much not arbitrary and completely dependent on the tilt of Earth's axis.

[–] Stupidmanager@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I figure the solstice would be a far better tradition to bring back. Party twice a year? Peak and summer the low of winter. Sign me up

[–] rah@feddit.uk 5 points 5 days ago

bring back

Uh... it hasn't gone anywhere. Just because you haven't celebrated it, doesn't mean others haven't.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Why just solstices? I maintain that secular society would probably enjoy the cardinal (solstices and equinoxes) and ordinal (halfway points) holidays that modern pagans tend to celebrate far better than the Christian ones. They're evenly spaced out and correspond to changes in light and temperature

My wife and I do this. Not all of our friends are up for it (some think it's too sacrilegious, but like everything I do is I'm not sure why they haven't got that yet)

[–] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think Brazil and Australia would like a word.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

This is why we need to go back to the roots of what Christmas was co-opted from.

Gimme my winter solstice festival!

Summer Christmas is less magical

[–] protist@mander.xyz 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You mean the Portuguese and the English, who brought their traditions with them

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Summer is a much better time to celebrate anyway. I don't get why Europeans decided to do it in winter.

Anyway, it doesn't stop being an important day... after an arbitrary week-and-half delay.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

What else is there to live for in winter if not the celebrations.

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago

It is aligned for the southern hemisphere as well, just with winter and summer reversed.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The change of year is not aligned with the winter solstice. In fact the new year has been intentionally moved to an arbitrary date to obscure the solstice behind religious holidays.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

It's basically a week away from the solstice, still. A little more than a week. It's exactly a week from Christmas Eve, which is what many countries (like where I live) celebrate as "the" Christmas. It's pretty clear still, to me at least, that we celebrate this time because of the sun returning to higher distances above the horizon.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Does January 1st coincide with the ending of winter anywhere?

[–] rah@feddit.uk 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I said "passing", not "end". The end of the year is roughly aligned with mid-winter, a.k.a. the winter solstice, the point at which light and life begin their return.

[–] wzl@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does January 1st coincide with the ending of winter anywhere?

Ending? Winter just started 10 days ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah, well, they moved it ten days away, very hidden and sneaky. Those dastardly fiends.