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[–] 3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People with vaginas is the right terminology if discussing something that pertains to vaginas. Eg. "People with vaginas should make sure to see a gynecologist regularly." in this case, saying "women" would exclude/misgender many trans and intersex people who have vaginas but are not women, while also including some women who do not have vaginas and would not need to see a gynecologist

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The person you replied to said "female" though. As far as I know, "Man"/"Woman" is on the gender side while "Male"/"Female" is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.

Although taking all three into account may just make it hard to determine. But it does imply that "male woman" and "female man" are also valid combinations.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 16 points 4 days ago

“Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.

Not really, I don't think. They're just the adjectives where woman/man are the nouns. If you talk about a male coworker I assume he's a man, not that you checked his birth certificate.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Male and Female are still normative exclusionary categories that describe trends within physiology and not hard rules or limits. Sex is not a golden rule. It is a human created category in the same way gender is.

If you want to talk about specific anatomy there is no reason why you can't talk about the anatomy you're referring to.

I would also point out that referring to trans women as male woman is very derogatory and is functionally the same as calling us heshes or shemales.

[–] 3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net 10 points 4 days ago

Sex is a lot more complicated than male/female. There's a bunch of different sex characteristics that make up "sex" and people can have all sorts of different combinations of them. If you just use a male/female binary, that doesn't tell people what sex characteristic you're referring to. Maybe something affects people based on chromosones, in which case people who are xy but otherwise "female" (like with cais) would go in the "male" category and vice versa. Or maybe something affects people based on hormones, in which case transgender people taking hrt would have to be categorized based on that. If you say "male/female", no one knows if you're talking about hormones, or genitals, or chromosones, or gonads, or whatever else, so it's best to be specific and use language like "people with [body part]"