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Life is short and filled with potential that sometimes met and other times robbed.
Having lost many members of my family, I don't wish it on others.
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So I would suggest that anyone actually learn to read what is written. It's like taking to 5 year old that jump to conclusions..... Seriously people, I don't care about this Billionaire, I won't be someone who will sya that murder is good and let's purge all rich people. That is not constructive and I value life, not death. So many of you suffered from health insurance but when you come to vote you vote like most Americans do, not in my backyard. I don't want socialism, governments not coming to take my money or guns....
No offence but private health care didn't happen over night. You live in one of the greatest democratic institutions but simy chose not to use your tools. That is why corruption runs amok, none of you want to stand up and unite yourself with other Americans because you are all so bloody individualist. All other countries with universal healthcare didn't just get it by miracle, it was work and commitment to the greater good which means not getting into hissy fights for every little thing.
How about listening to George Carlin to. Illuminate your minds... Seriously America, everyone in the world has been telling you that you have a problem, stop gaslighting us.
Yeah man, your heart bleeds for the millions of people who die every month. But your actions and words speak for the one CEO...
Nope I don't glorify murder, have fun promoting your death cult
Have fun being a fucking bootlicker.
Get the fuck out of the way you dumb fucking clown of a liberal.
Wow ... So whne a conversation reaches a higher thinking then that of the IQ of a cabbage...you star cussing.... Wow you must truly be the smartest of your class.... 🙄
For point of fact I'm more on the socialist side since in my country we have had universal healthcare for years and are a better society for it instead of being gun trotting savage capitalist....
That's a you buddy @inv3r510n@lemmy.world
You’re a social democrat, which is another form of a liberal. You support capitalism. You support extracting resources from the global south. You’re a smug European enlightened centrist who hasn’t got a fucking clue what they’re talking about when it comes to American issues or political definitions in general.
I am not a capitalist and I don’t know how you managed to get that out of this. You must think I’m right wing, but that just goes to show you do not understand Americans.
Let me tell you about my state. Vermont. We’re the home of Bernie Sanders, the highest per capita LGBTQ population (first state to support civil unions), and one of the highest gun owning states with the loosest laws. We’ve got legal weed and you can grow your own (most states prohibit), and abortion is a right codified in our state constitution (the US is 50 countries in a trench coat plus some exploited territories). We were once our own country separate of the US and prior to it, and we lasted longer as an independent republic than the confederacy during the civil war lolololol.
Bro's lost in the sauce
And yet he not only wished it, but CAUSED it, for thousands upon thousands in the name of shareholder profits.
Agreed and his company and all like him should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Imagine if millions of people walked the streets to stop the healthcare scam of America? Blue and red United....
Whenever we have big protests, we get tear gassed, shot with rubber bullets, beaten with nightsticks, and arrested. Why do you think this time would be different?
Vietnam ended because of protest.
The police cannot stop millions of people that match because most of them would agree with you.
The US needs to stop giving the microphone to extreme left and right speakers and go back to being a centrist country.....
Protest isn't easy but it gains traction when everyone is united which at the moment the United States is not.... The longer it's citizens are not united, the longer corporations will fill its coffers and pig out on your hard earned cash....
The media keeps you distracted so that none of you see how similar you are with the other side. They have even convinced people to no longer speak to Trump people.... Who does that benefit? Motherfucking Corporations. They want you to be divided in every cause possible as it remove the eye on them...
They brutally attacked protesters during the Vietnam war protests, what are you talking about?
They did in fact stop millions of people in more recent protests, once again by using violence against the protesters.
As I said, it is not easy. When the elites believes they have no resistance, they pig out....
There is only so much that cops can prevent in a protest, especially in a day and age of technology where everything is recorded
I agree with the other things you said about solidarity.
But your implied view of protests, where the protesters have to suffer violence at the hands of the oppressors, is just insane to me.
And cops have been recorded commiting war crimes against the American people, and guess what the recordings did? Fucking. Nothing.
I am not saying that protesters should suffer through violence, that is twisting what is said. I said that when you are united as a people, you are capable of great things..... And protest is one of tools that you have....
I pointed out how protests are met with the violence of the state, and your response was "it's not easy"
How else could one interpret that?
Listen what I am saying is that protest will always have repossession, I ain't saying its right but imagine the women who fought for their rights to be considered equal. They were beaten and jailed but it didn't stop them and eventually it brought changes...
Nothing comes without sacrifice and honestly I don't want to live in a world where murder is the solution to our problems as it is a slippery slope in my view.
I don't have the answer, but I sure as hell know it's not the way
So we're back to the protesters having to suffer.
Nah, I think the oppressors should suffer instead.
The slippery slope is a common logical fallacy. It's not real. Look it up.
Look man, I don't see what your solution is here, you don't want to protest so what are you proposing as a solution? Just give power in the end of a random guy who decides to shoot random billionaires? Do you not see what I'd the next step outside of the typical justification for the rich to have their own militia and the actually lead to even worst civil violence?
As I said, I don't have he answer but protest and boycott do work. It is what made the world change the policies for apartheid South Africa, it is what forced the British out of India.
The onyl difference today its that its harder to prevent the truofrom coming out but what is the point if no one will stand up for what is right.
He’s a whiny liberal and needs to stfu and let the left get shit done.
You liberals had fucking decades to fix this with your incremental bullshit means tested reforms. You failed. Miserably.
So two things.
First off, tell them, not me.
Second, we want to make them think about their opinion so that they can see that they're wrong. If you're combative like in your comment above, they're just going to dismiss you as an asshole and not listen to the point you're trying to make.
Fair enough @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
They haven’t listened for forty years why would they start listening now?
You are the finest example of the American typical citizen who acts like a frog.... You let the media dictate your actions instead of using your own intelligence.... It's a pity...
Go look in the mirror enlightened centrist.
I’d love to know what media you think I look at. The only social I’m on is lemmy. I don’t own a TV. I pirate news articles from all over, especially business and foreign affairs publications. I read the entire wide spectrum (/s) of pro capitalism right wing to pro capitalism liberal US media. Then I read the smaller independent leftist/anarchist/Marxist stuff. Then I read international news and the general news wires. I read it all.
My view points come from watching this system fail me over and over and over again and seeing the root of it is capitalism and imperialism itself. I cheer on evil CEOs getting shot. They’ve been committing social murder for decades while our government and legal system condone it with no recourse for the public and no more peaceful options left. I can’t believe it took this long.
If you suffered like I have under the American healthcare system you’d quit your enlightened centrist utter bullshit.
The national guard shot four people to death protesting the Vietnam war at Ohio state. Shut the fuck up and sit down liberal. It’s time the left gets a shot (hahahaha) at fixing shit.
Not sure what was your point based on what I said.... Maybe read before writing.....
You responded to the previous comment (about police violence towards protesters) with nonsense about how protests ended the war in Vietnam and how we need to go “back” to “centrism” and shut up the “extreme left” and extreme right.
It’s not a serious comment. Responding with someone pointing out the brutality and lethality of police response to protests with but Vietnam! just shows your utter lack of knowledge. The police murdered Vietnam protesters. It wasn’t the whitewashed peaceful bullshit people it’s been remembered as.
The fact that you want centrism is utterly fucking laughable. Why do you think we’re in this mess? Are you just a blue MAGA who reflexively blames republicans for everything wrong with this country without any critical thought at all, just parroting MSM talking points?
What extreme left? Who in the extreme left has any power? Name some names, I’ll wait. There is no extreme left in this country save for a handful of unorganized working class anti fascist types.
Where’s that scooby doo meme where Fred pulls the mask off the criminal and the before and after are labeled centrist and fascist? Because that’s where this convo seems to be heading. You just really don’t get it. Centrism, liberalism, conservativism (which is just further right liberalism), fascism, they’re the only ideologies with any power since… JFK? Even earlier than that? There has never been leftist power in America, ever.
So when the person murdering people and their company aren't prosecuted. And after decades and decades and decades blue and red have not united to walk the streets and stop the healthcare scam what is your solution?
Cause right now your solution seems to be in favor of the dude murdering more people...
@Donkter@lemmy.world Well... I hope to find one, honestly.... I really don't know. I just don't feel comfortable with glorifying murder, even if the CEO deserved it.
I hope someone that is smarter then I am will find a better way that won't throw the United States into further division.... My concern is that Billionaires will use this murder as an excuse to hire private militias (not the cops but mercenaries like black water) which would lead to civil war.... Perhaps far fetched..... Who knows
You're right that a nicer solution sounds swell. If these people were prosecuted or the US people did come together to stop these predatory corporations it would be better than violence.
But at this point it's a trolley problem. I mean I can only assume that part of your issue is that it's more abstracted. If you were with this billionaire CEO driving a trolley car, and he was running it full steam at a pile of tied up sick people on the train track and the only way for you to stop him was to push him off the moving train and grab the breaks yourself I would hope the "right" thing to do would be clear whether you could bring yourself to do it or not.
Surely you're talking about the people who died due to a lack of coverage or denied claims, right?
...oh.
Both mate, I don't glorify murderers.
I try to stay consistent on that principle. The CEO of Health United deserved it, but that regardless of the fact that vigilante murder is illegal for a good reason.
And it should equally be illegal for United Health to commit these atrocities they are doing...
Where are the millions of Americans in the street yelling for justice!? This is the problem when your society favor individualism to the extreme.
Hell you can see people walk in the streets of New York while a homeless person is unconscious and what do people say? It's not my problem, someone else should call the cops...
I would also strong recommend people listen TO George Carlin speaking about how Politicians suck.... Well guess what maybe it's the people voting for them that suck because these politicians are not aliens. They are Americans...
So you're insured with Blue Cross?
In Canada yes, but then again my taxes pay for my health care and also there are rules for insurance that are different because we are evil socialist based on most Americans... 🙄
OH FUCK RIGHT OFF. “We don’t use our institutions” no moron, our institutions are designed to be a facade of representative democracy when in reality any type of progressive pushback against our healthcare system gets tanked intentionally by well placed spoilers such as joe Lieberman.
They made peaceful change impossible so violence is what they’re getting and what they fucking DESERVE. They’re committing social murder and profiting!! off of it living lavish lives of luxury while my family suffers - I lost my dad and my house. These people deserve to die.
We tried the nice way. Now it’s time they find out what the second amendment really stands for. Bunch of fucking tyrants and pearl clutching bootlickers carrying the water for them. Do better.
Have fun turning your country from a democracy into a dictatorship and then preach to other countries you invade that you bring peace.... What a real joke...
You think I supported any of that? What part of America’s democratic republic is a facade do you not understand? What part of America has always been teetering between right wing and outright fascist (save for a few years during WW2) do you not understand? Our history from our founding (ignoring native history that predates it) on is a story of insane religious Puritanism and persecution of anyone subversive of that (Salem witch trials is a great example starting pre US, but it goes all the way to satanic panic of the 1980s and todays christofascism), our land theft from natives and genocide of them, from the beginning to modern day (notably our attitudes of manifest destiny being really obvious even today), our enslavement of Africans and their descendants from the very beginning to present day in prisons thanks to the 13th amendment, I can go and on and on. We’ve been at war in some way shape or form for all of about 7 years out of our nearly 250? And that’s ignoring the colonial / native stuff prior.
We live under the dictatorship of capital and the USD is backed by oil. Notice who we regime change? Left wing leaders. Notice why? Oil and other natural resources for our multinationals to exploit. Who do we prop up? Fascists and right wing dictatorships. Try to sell oil in any other currency besides USD? We’ll bomb you. We regime change anyone who gets in the way of our corporate interests. The line must go up.
It’s obvious you’re not American and you’re wasting my time. You haven’t got a single fucking clue of what it’s like being an American so sit down and shut up. We have not been represented by our leaders since before I was alive and I’m 35. Our democracy is a complete and utter fucking sham, our politicians in both parties barring a teeny tiny inconsequential handful are all bought out by corporate America and it’s billionaire owners.
Go look up Henry Kissinger, Oliver north, citizens United, the patriot act, the 2000 election, Jack Welch the list goes on and on there’s so much evil to expose - you need to learn what the hell you’re talking about if you wanna play the non American enlightened centrist bullshit game with an American leftist.
Well then, how about doing the same with the rest of the world...its been my experience that Americans love dedicating the rules to everyone else, including invading them but are far too sensitive to see their own flaws and accept criciticism from other countries.... It's not surprising that lost senators don't even have a passport....
I don't have more to add to this discussion. Happy holidays and best of luck.
Again, you act like I want america being the worlds policeman. I fucking don’t. Learn to read and stop putting your nose in American affairs if you don’t have a single fucking clue about what life is like here.
I want an end to capitalism and imperialism, I want healthcare. I want the United States as we know it finished as a country. Fuck this country.