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    [–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Are you implying that win10 is worse than win8?

    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Yea, I'd say Win10/11 is on the same good/shit cycle as always

    Though whether Win12 breaks it and continues the shitty trend is highly likely at this point

    [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Highly disagree, 10 is just worse than 7. Its more like a downward spiral.

    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

    7 > 10 > 8 > 11

    On this graph 10 should be where 8 is and 8 should be where 10 is, 11 is exactly where it should be

    [–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

    I'd call it a damped spring oscillation. Still goes up and down, but the extremes peter out with time.

    [–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Definitely, yes. Win8 was unusable on desktops but was pretty good on tablets, win10 sucks on both. But the main thing is that spyware/bloatware explosion happened in win10. Xbox services, onedrive, cortana, that weather thing with msn news, fucking candy crush preinstalls, etc, all came with win10.

    [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Try to install windows 10 on hdd and see for yourself, Linux works fine no matter which device it's loaded from, windows before 10 did too

    [–] Hupf@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago

    Windows philosophy is that it comes pre-installed and should be used with recent hardware. You may think of that what you will (environment wise etc), but to me that's a valid design choice to make, in principle.

    [–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Can confirm. Win 10 on hdd is torture.

    [–] Homescool@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I am missing something. Where else would you install Windows but the HDD? (I haven't installed windows in 20 years so I don't know)

    [–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I think they are talking HDD vs SSD.

    [–] Homescool@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
    [–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

    If you've not yet tried putting an OS on an NVME drive, it'll change your life. Or at least speed up your computing.

    [–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    An SSD ? It's about disk speed. The HDDs speed limit make win 10 sluggish as hell. While not as bad, even Linux (mint) is starting to be affected by this.

    [–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I used both on HDD. They are both slow but while Mint is predictably slow and stable, Win10 can grind to a halt unexpectedly.

    [–] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

    My pc on win 10 took 20 to 30 min just to to start up. 🥲

    [–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Why would you install Windows 10 on a hard drive? If your computer is that old, you want 7 or XP

    [–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Are 7 and XP still supported?

    [–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    No, but what are you going to do? Install WIn10 on a computer that's too old and doesn't meet the minimum specs?

    If you have a 2010 computer, it's either old Windows or Linux, modern WIndows is going to suck, if it even works. Ergo, i can't think of a circumstance where you'd want/have to install Win10 on a hard drive instead of an SSD.

    Maybe shits and giggles, similar to running Doom on random stuff? If someone has more imagination than me then i'm open

    [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

    Modern linux mint with zram works flawlessly on lga775 4gb ram and Nvidia gt210 and hdd as main and only drive

    [–] MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    If you're still running 10 does it matter?

    [–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

    For a month or two

    [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I have Windows 10 LTSC installed on an old hard drive and it works fine.

    [–] absentbird@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    I guess it depends on what your standards are for 'fine', or maybe it's a 10k rpm drive. Win 10 on a standard HDD is dog shit, I personally had to upgrade several offices from HDD to SSD when Windows 10 came out.

    [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Got any recommendations for backing up / migrating systems to a new drive? I'd be willing to try it but I don't forsee enough benefit to warrant reinstalling everything on that machine.

    [–] absentbird@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    If you have a hard drive reader and spare thumb drive it's not too hard. Just put clonezilla on the thumb drive, boot it, put the new drive in the reader, and clone your old drive onto the new one.

    Back in the day I usually just put a fresh install on the SSD and downloaded their personal files from the network copy. I found that upgrading from 7 to 10 had a uncomfortably high failure rate, so it was easier to just put a fresh install of 10 on and go from there.

    [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Oh I'm never upgrading. That would be crazy.

    [–] absentbird@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    The sad thing about being a Windows user is they've got you between a rock and a hard place. You either upgrade or lose support, and in a lot of cases you can't upgrade without buying a new system.

    I know a lot of people resist learning Linux, but it really is the only way out of the cycle. You can start small at first, dip your toes in. Before long it will feel more natural and familiar than the next release from Redmond. On that day you will be free.

    [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    It certainly is coming to an end, but Windows 7 had a good run for support and Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (2021) has until 2027. But for sure people should get really comfortable with Linux soon.

    [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

    I've ran through 3 win 10 HDD computers and they all had sorts of performance issues with HDD. I don't think it was tested beyond bootup for HDD.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 month ago

    Which are all significantly better than Mac OS and are especially better than Linux